#19 - Human Resources

[00:00:00] Speaker A: We're recording. [00:00:01] Speaker B: The sangria might taste gross because there's no ice. [00:00:04] Speaker A: Oh, it's going to be horrible. I mean, but, you know. But that's fine. Let me take a sip of my iced coffee. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Perturbed. [00:00:14] Speaker B: Sorry, I need to grab my coffee. It's over here. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Don't mind us. Holly's grabbing her coffee. Listen, I have mine in my hand right now, and I'm hoping that the listener has a little something to nibble on, a little something to sip. Sip along with us. Which line do you want? [00:00:33] Speaker B: Oh, so, Michael. What? Perturbed. [00:00:37] Speaker A: Wait, no, we didn't say to the thing. [00:00:39] Speaker B: What thing? [00:00:40] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of. [00:00:42] Speaker B: Oh, oh, oh. Okay. I don't know. Okay, you start. Okay. [00:00:51] Speaker A: All right. Welcome Back to apartment 1R. [00:00:53] Speaker B: This is your hosts, Holly and Michael, [00:00:56] Speaker A: and we are Perturbed. [00:00:58] Speaker B: So, Michael, what perturbs you? [00:01:01] Speaker A: Okay, so what perturbs me is the sheer amount of lying to oneself it takes to pretend like you enjoy a trip to the zoo. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:12] Speaker A: We saw a giraffe. The giraffe's half dead. The monkeys, dilapidated. [00:01:18] Speaker B: You know what it is? I feel like I've never actually made the decision to go to a zoo myself. It's always been sort of. I don't want to say forced upon me, but maybe, like, I feel like zoos were not meant to be forced upon me, but meant to be granted. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, because we live in a culture and a society where it's on that list of, like, fun things to do, like, go to the shore, go to the beach, go to the zoo. Like, it's on that list. [00:01:43] Speaker B: But when I think about it, you're right, because every element of sensory information coming into the body is foul. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like an overwhelming amount of misery from all angles. It's like you're waiting in line all day. You're in the heat, the food's expensive. There's kids running around screaming. You're tapping on the glass. Ooh, look, a giraffe. It's, like, hanging. Its neck's, like, hanging with depression into the dirt. [00:02:11] Speaker B: It smells bad. Did you point that one out? [00:02:13] Speaker A: It smells gross. [00:02:14] Speaker B: It's always hot, really hot. [00:02:15] Speaker A: The camel has one eye. It's, like, mutated a little bit, like, limping around. [00:02:20] Speaker B: The whole activity is just walking, which isn't bad, but it's just. That's it. It's walking. [00:02:25] Speaker A: Like, there's just nothing about it. That's like, ooh, the zoo. And, like, we could go Sit. We could sit here and go into like the animal rights issues and the political issues of it. But that's not even what we're here. We're here to. You know, with the first world problems of it all, it's the waiting in line. It's the like you wait in line for three years to see this lion and all you see is like this like skinny, half dead lion on the hill. On the fake little hill, and they're like. We saw animals like, no, Mary, basically, [00:02:55] Speaker B: if you said to me, let's go to the zoo, I'd be like, try again. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Yeah. I'd say no. You know, it wouldn't even cross my mind. [00:03:02] Speaker B: There's a lot of options we have. If we have a day off and we have a little bit of money [00:03:07] Speaker A: to spend, we're not going to the zoo. [00:03:08] Speaker B: Let's brainstorm a little more here. I mean, I don't know, how much is it to get into a zoo these days? [00:03:13] Speaker A: I don't know. Too much, probably. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Too much. [00:03:15] Speaker A: You know, we want to see the bald eagle. We want to see the bald eagle. It can't even spread it like stuck down to the bottom of a cage with poop in it. [00:03:25] Speaker B: Yeah. The image is just sad. [00:03:27] Speaker A: It's just like the people there are unhappy. The animals are unhappy, the employees are unhappy. [00:03:34] Speaker B: The tourists. [00:03:34] Speaker A: The tourists are unhappy. Like this facade of this lesbian zookeeper that lives in my mind at all times. She's not real. [00:03:42] Speaker B: I will say the one good thing about zoos I've always felt was the aquarium area, where you sort of walk into a tunnelish area. [00:03:50] Speaker A: And the whales. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah. But it's more. [00:03:57] Speaker A: And it's like slowly just beating up against the glass in circles. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Now, for me, what's so enticing about that area is because it's a tunnel out of the light, you're not smelling like hay and whatever that smell is of a barn anymore. You sort of smell like the smell of a water park. Water in a water park. Oh, I love that smell. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Which is a little terrifying because it's like chlorine. It's chemical. [00:04:27] Speaker B: Yeah. It's bad. But the visual is good. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Visuals. [00:04:31] Speaker B: Like, it's like you walk in and you're like. There's this glow of blue. [00:04:36] Speaker A: Want to know what it is? The illusion is alive in the aquarium. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And they like, they have it. So, like the wall. If I'm getting the aquarium correct, the vision I have in my head is [00:04:47] Speaker A: like, I see the vision. [00:04:48] Speaker B: You walk in and you're just like surrounded by these big walls of water. [00:04:52] Speaker A: And it's like, ooh, pointing out Dory and Nemo and it's a good time. [00:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:04:56] Speaker A: It's not like the monkey that's half asleep throwing poop at the window. [00:05:00] Speaker B: It's not like dried dirt. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, the lion has, like, one half dead tree in its cage. [00:05:08] Speaker B: Like, if you were to trip and fall in the zoo, like, I feel like there'd be a cloud of dirt, dust. [00:05:12] Speaker A: Yeah. And, like, poop particles. Have you seen the videos of, like, the lions, like, viciously. Like, viciously attempting to attack little girls? But there's, like, that plane of glass in between, like, little girls. There's, like, a ton of videos of little girls and little boys, like, going up to the glass. And the lion is, like, fully unhinging its jaw and trying with all of its might to, like, oh, my God, through the glass. [00:05:36] Speaker B: They don't belong here. [00:05:38] Speaker A: Why is there a lion in the Bronx? That's another interesting aspect, is, like, they're in the Bronx, like the parrots. Like, boss man. Boss man. [00:05:48] Speaker B: I will say there is something about the. That zoo being in the Bronx that makes me feel a little bit warmer because [00:05:58] Speaker A: I think you were secretly a zoo lover. [00:06:00] Speaker B: No, no, no. Like, and here's the thing. For example, the zoo in Central Park. [00:06:04] Speaker A: No, I've never been. Never wanna go. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Like, I've been around it and, like, no to that. [00:06:08] Speaker A: You could smell the hay. [00:06:09] Speaker B: It's not about the Bronx Zoo being in the Bronx that I feel, like, makes me feel warm. Like a zoo being in the Bronx. Like, it doesn't need to be next to the expressway. You know, there doesn't need to be a zoo next to the. But for me, it's more of this concept that the Bronx could be. Or any borough could be besides Manhattan could be so condensed in one area and so suburban in the other, you know, because my memories of the Bronx Zoo was like, I don't remember a city at all. Like, I don't even. It confuses me to think of the Bronx Zoo in the Bronx. [00:06:43] Speaker A: Like, where is it? Because I've been to the Bronx Zoo plenty of times, and I feel like [00:06:47] Speaker B: now that I say don't. Like, right. Like, it's sort of like. [00:06:49] Speaker A: Like, where was that? Not in the Bronx, where that was. [00:06:53] Speaker B: It's. It's like, there's a highway there. I know that. But, like, it's a highway where you see trees around. So it's like, I like the thought that, like, there are areas of the Burrows that, like, you can go. You can choose which kind of lifestyle you want. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, you can go to the bodega, or you can go see the monkeys, [00:07:11] Speaker B: or you can live in, like, a house with, like, a lawn if you want it. If you go far enough to the outskirts, which I think is where the Bronx Zoo is probably. [00:07:18] Speaker A: Let's go to the Bronx Zoo. Should we go? [00:07:22] Speaker B: The way you said it, like, convinces me that you want to go. [00:07:25] Speaker A: We'll document it. It'll be our investigative journalism piece. [00:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Connected to this episode. [00:07:31] Speaker A: Okay. It's just you and me here. Are you joking? [00:07:43] Speaker B: I'm getting nervous. [00:07:45] Speaker A: So Holly is gonna walk us through this week's topic. [00:07:50] Speaker B: I did some research, so this is going to be a first for us of, like, actual researched material, and I feel nervous. Our topic for today is hr, Human Resources. [00:08:03] Speaker A: HR is so. Is such a big deal in my life right now. [00:08:08] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's my first question is, what do you know about HR and how do you feel about hr? [00:08:15] Speaker A: I feel like HR, for me, is like the wonderful wizard of Oz at this point in my life. It's this constant looming threat. It's this constant looming falsehood of, like, don't worry. We care about you. It's this constant looming, like, everything you do or say, it's like, HR Is gonna find out. Like, I'm like, are they principals? Like, I just don't know exactly, like, what they are, because half the times it's like, don't worry if that thing makes you feel uncomfortable. You could just tell HR. It's like, okay, so they're superheroes. And then it's like, HRS coming. And then it's like, we're scared of them. So I'm confused. [00:08:52] Speaker B: There's this gut feeling. I think instinctual, you know, instincts are usually correct. Like, they're this. This thing where your body. You didn't absorb information in your brain, but somehow your body sort of absorbs information, and then you have this gut feeling later on based on sort of experiences. I feel like it's like that. It's instinct. It's like animalistic instinct. The danger. It's danger. You know, like, our gut is telling all of us. I think with any. With hr, all of us, I think our gut is telling us this person [00:09:24] Speaker A: is to be feared. [00:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah, they're kind of like, wasn't there, like, a doll or something in the spongebob movie where they sort of were like, hey, and they went over, and that's when they transitioned into the monster scene? Do you remember it? [00:09:37] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. It was like. It was like. It was like a huge monster in the abyss. Right. And it, like, looked kind of cute or something, but that was just like. It's. [00:09:45] Speaker B: I can't remember exactly. Yeah. But you know what I'm talking about there. [00:09:49] Speaker A: You know, it's on the tip of my tongue. [00:09:50] Speaker B: It's that vibe. Like, there's like, HR the illusion is [00:09:57] Speaker A: like a big plastic bowl of, like, Sun Chips. [00:10:02] Speaker B: That's a good snack, but it's not at a party. [00:10:04] Speaker A: And it's like. Or like, it's like lemonade poured into a Dixie cup at Room Temp. It's like we're having a pizza party for. With HR Yeah. And, like, everything's a little off. Like, the brownies are, like, a little burnt. And, like, you know, it's like the illusion is, like, so slapped together, so hokey pokey. [00:10:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:25] Speaker A: And it's just. You're left there confused and, like, you just feel lied to when you're like. You're in the middle of the conversation, you're just realizing that you've been lied to. And that which is the dark curtain of Oz is coming down around you, [00:10:35] Speaker B: which I feel like is the darkest part of it all, is the dishonesty in it. It's like, just be a monster. [00:10:42] Speaker A: Right? [00:10:43] Speaker B: Like, at least our principals at school, they showed us who they were. We knew that. That, like, really scary Dean, who used to be a gym teacher, was really fucking scary. And he was gonna go, oh, my God. No, he was scary. Like, if his gaze landed on you, you were in trouble. [00:11:03] Speaker A: I was trying to make this gay land on him, girl. Let me tell you something. [00:11:06] Speaker B: But, like, at least they showed their teeth. [00:11:09] Speaker A: Yeah, they showed their true cut. Yeah. They're sharks in the waters with the fin poking out, you know? [00:11:12] Speaker B: Yeah. And I feel like HR is like [00:11:14] Speaker A: the piranhas that'll, like, coming and nipping at your ankle. [00:11:18] Speaker B: So we're gonna do a little bit of history today. Who, not who is HR I think we all kind of know them as, like, well, explain sexual harassment happens sort of thing. I can give you a definition. [00:11:31] Speaker A: I have some personal stories of the times that I've been backstabbed. [00:11:35] Speaker B: Let's go through that. Maybe, like, personal what we know. I think we should start off with basic knowledge of hr, like, how we see them today. [00:11:42] Speaker A: Last interaction I had was like, this, who, like, relapsed on hard drugs and was telling me that, you know, he needed someone to help finish him off and that maybe I could ask one of the pretty girls if they could help me suck his dick while I was alone with him in the. In the freezer. [00:11:59] Speaker B: Was this reported to hr? I remember this story. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Yes, it was. Yes, darling. And I was told, he's in a union, we can't do anything about it. So I'm like, am I anti union? Like, blow up the rap balloon outside and let's fire this guy. Like, I don't give a fuck what union he's in. He's harassing me. [00:12:14] Speaker B: Huh. Interesting. What union is he? [00:12:16] Speaker A: Listen, here's the thing. [00:12:17] Speaker B: No, no, because I think the. I think that. [00:12:19] Speaker A: No, no, here's the thing. It's the lies and the facades and the blah, blah, blah. I don't know if that's true. You know? Yeah, like the second something quote I'm doing air quotes goes to hr. Oh, this case is going to go to hr. Does it even go to hr? [00:12:33] Speaker B: Well, I know that they're there to protect the company. [00:12:35] Speaker A: The sangria is delicious. [00:12:36] Speaker B: It actually is really good, isn't it? [00:12:38] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Okay, so we're gonna go back. We're gonna go back to the origins of human resources. [00:12:46] Speaker A: So Holly's teaching me and the listener. [00:12:48] Speaker B: And the listener. We're going back to the mid-1800s during the industrial Revolution. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Like, what would you have expected, do you think? [00:12:59] Speaker A: I am definitely picturing, like a blonde haircut. Like the. The seventies, maybe. Maybe. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Oh, really? All right, well, so it wasn't exactly started in the mid-1800s, but like everywhere before then, you knew your boss, you knew all your co workers. [00:13:16] Speaker A: He gave you your 4 shillings for the 12 hour work shift and you went on your way. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Right? But now with the Industrial Revolution, you're seeing these huge factories where people never meet their owners. And so the owners, like, they don't know you. They don't care about you. They don't know the conditions you're under. Even if they did, they wouldn't really give a shit. So now for the first time, you're like, you don't know your boss, really? So now you see some unrest happening. Do you see where I'm going with this in terms of hr? [00:13:45] Speaker A: The people need support, some sort of [00:13:49] Speaker B: middleman, because Rockefeller is not coming into those factories, right? [00:13:53] Speaker A: He's, I don't know, Triangle Shirtwaist isn't like, hey, girl, you know, I'm gonna. [00:13:58] Speaker B: I've chosen two instances of what I call the bad of the Industrial Revolution, love. First one, and this is just to like, you know, set the tone. Michael's gonna pour a little bit More sangria? [00:14:10] Speaker A: Just having a little sangria. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Molly McGuire. They're a secret society originating in Ireland. Ireland under the English government. So I don't know what the tea is there. Do you know anything? [00:14:22] Speaker A: I know a little bit of the tea. [00:14:23] Speaker B: So tell us about what's the deal with the English government being involved here? [00:14:26] Speaker A: The English government was, like, up Ireland's ass for a long time and still is, you know, but are we surprised? [00:14:36] Speaker B: Wait, they still are. [00:14:37] Speaker A: There may or may not be some turmoil, you know, because they're. They're part of the greater uk, The United Kingdom. And some Irish. Some Irish folk have a problem with that. You know, they're an independent peoples. [00:14:52] Speaker B: I think this is, like, involved a little bit with the potato famine, but, like, there was some drama with landowners and the farmers. [00:15:00] Speaker A: Mm. Because the tea is that there was never a potato famine. They were just not allowed to eat their own crops because they were being owned by the British government, of course, and they were taking all their crops and letting their people starve that were growing the crops because they needed all this demand of these potatoes. [00:15:18] Speaker B: The English really did a number, didn't they? [00:15:20] Speaker A: The English are crazy, you know, Wild. The English are insane. Like, all they do is eat, like, toast with beans on it. And, like. [00:15:29] Speaker B: Ew. They do? [00:15:30] Speaker A: Yes. Have you ever seen, like, English food? [00:15:32] Speaker B: No. Besides, like, tea and crumpets. Yeah. No. Like, and scones. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Like, everything they eat is, like, tan. It's just, like, slop. Like, pull up to the trough. And, like, that's the vibe. [00:15:42] Speaker B: So they were, like, fucking up Ireland. All these families, these farmers. So a secret society was formed called the Molly Maguires. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Love. [00:15:52] Speaker B: And they started retaliating against these landowners running around, like, destroying property. Maybe murder, maybe, like, burning crops. But, like, these are, like, you know, you got the tough Irish, boyish. [00:16:05] Speaker A: It's Spider Man. It's Spider Man. I can't do it. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Spoiled Ramon. I practice a little, only that, like, the eye turns into Oi, Ireland. That's really good. Okay. [00:16:16] Speaker A: All right. So you have mass vigilantes running around tonight burning the village. [00:16:20] Speaker B: So in a newspaper, an address of Molly McGuire to her children, which I think is so adorable. Like, as if there's, like, a leader of this group of farmers containing 12 rules. The rules advised Molly's about how they should conduct themselves in land disputes and were an attempt to direct the movement's activities. So, number one, keep strictly to the land question by allowing no landlord more than fair value for his tenure, which I don't really, really know what that means. I think that means, like, don't you go outside of those bounds and give him anything outside of that. No rent to be paid until harvest. Love, I don't know if it's worth it to go through all these, but, you know, assist to the utmost of your power the good landlord in getting his rents. Love that. Cherish and respect. The good landlord and good agent keep from traveling by night. So he's just being like, guys, calm down. Everybody calm down. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Hey, hey. [00:17:12] Speaker B: We all have the same goal here, [00:17:13] Speaker A: so let's not get out of hand. Yeah, let's target our passion instead of just running around. [00:17:18] Speaker B: So this was a situation in Ireland. In Ireland. So now the potato famine has caused a lot of people to migrate to the U.S. in the U.S. you know, they faced a lot of discrimination. The only jobs that were willing to hire them were the coal mining jobs in Pennsylvania. [00:17:36] Speaker A: Right. [00:17:37] Speaker B: So we got the president of these coal mining companies, Franklin B. Goen and [00:17:43] Speaker A: Franklin be going to jail. [00:17:45] Speaker B: I named him Franklin the bitch going, Franklin the bitch going to jail. [00:17:50] Speaker A: Right. [00:17:50] Speaker B: So let's talk about these coal mining jobs. All coal miners had to like explode the rocks in order to like find the coal. And then they had to create structures to keep it from caving in these like caves. And then they had to create these like little rail. Rail lines to like hurdle yee ho my ho. Like they didn't get paid for those hours. They only got paid for the coal that they like got, which sometimes they didn't get any. They lived in company towns, company owned towns. The companies leased the housing to the men and their families and would pay them in fake money where they could only purchase shit from shops also owned by the company. [00:18:30] Speaker A: It's like Disneyland. [00:18:31] Speaker B: Yeah. But like you're trapped but like horrific. You can't leave because your money doesn't like work for the buses or whatever trains. [00:18:39] Speaker A: A slave. [00:18:40] Speaker B: You're a slave. Yeah. Okay, so then you have these Irishmen, [00:18:44] Speaker A: these tough guys, they're like covered in dirt. [00:18:46] Speaker B: They sent letters to the employers and they said, if you don't fix shit, we're going to murder you. [00:18:51] Speaker A: Okay. [00:18:53] Speaker B: Legend has it basically that these letters were sent by the Molly McGuires. They're back in town. [00:18:59] Speaker A: So these Molly McGuires are international. And she's like, I got you babies. Rest your tired coal covered faces in mommy's bosom and I'm gonna do the dirty work for you. [00:19:11] Speaker B: And I feel like whether or not the name was there, the spirit was there. [00:19:15] Speaker A: The spirit was there. [00:19:16] Speaker B: The spirit of rage. [00:19:18] Speaker A: Uh huh. [00:19:18] Speaker B: Okay, so Basically like the, the rich men, the employers. [00:19:26] Speaker A: No, that's fine. Sorry, we're not at work or anything. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Where was I? [00:19:32] Speaker A: So they're like, oh, like eating clowns. [00:19:35] Speaker B: So they were basically like, listen, we're going to murder you if you don't change and fix right now. Because they also, like were dying. [00:19:42] Speaker A: I like that a lot. [00:19:43] Speaker B: I, I like that a lot too. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Like, I like that. It's not like I want to pay raise. It's like, you will be murdered. [00:19:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And so then the employees were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're not gonna murder us. Like they're not gon. What do they think? They're gonna come out here and murder us. And the Irishman, the Molly McGuires were like, yeah. And that's what they did. [00:20:03] Speaker A: Oh my God, I'm so proud. Yes. Like, I'm picturing like, oh, like they're sitting down having like bingo night. [00:20:11] Speaker B: Like, I can imagine the Irishman like running around outside and I just picture [00:20:15] Speaker A: them like covered in coal dust, barreling through the window, right? And like there was a couple moments when the bodies hit the floor where they were in their house and they, I guarantee they drank their wine and laughed and tried on their clothes, you [00:20:28] Speaker B: know, Like, I don't. It's the Irish. I don't think that they were like, we just murdered. [00:20:33] Speaker A: No, they were like, like clinking. [00:20:37] Speaker B: So then Franklin the bitch going, hired an Irishman, he's playing dirty now. He's like, you want to play dirty, bitch? I'm the dirtiest player. I started the game of dirty playing. And he did because he really murdered them first. I feel like they didn't. They weren't the first to murder the Irish, the Molly Maguire's, because. Because they were dying in the coal mine. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Dying in the mines, okay? [00:21:02] Speaker B: So they hired an Irishman named James McParland to betray his own kind and go undercover as James McKenna. So we're going to call him James the Cunt McKenna. [00:21:13] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:13] Speaker B: Because, like, there's no worse thing than [00:21:15] Speaker A: going against your own people, making them [00:21:17] Speaker B: think you've got the accent, you might have red hair, you're going in there [00:21:21] Speaker A: and make them think you have limber damage, liver damage, sunspots. [00:21:25] Speaker B: He literally. This bitch literally went and worked for the coal mines for two years. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Yeah. That's how like into this he got. And convincing them that he's one of them. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Don't you have hobbies? [00:21:36] Speaker B: I know. So he became convinced that these Working Man's Benevolent association and a fraternity of Irish Catholics they're just like a couple of groups. He becomes convinced that they're actually Molly Maguires, but like it doesn't really matter. I feel like this is a weird conspiracy that he's come up with in his minds. Number one, they just changed the name. It's still like the spirit of the Molly McGuires, I think, but like, what does the difference make? Are you trying get investigating murders or not here? Anyways, so as he comes to this conclusion, Franklin the Bitch going has decided to issue a 20% pay cut to all the minors. So then these miners, they're like, fuck you. And they go on strike. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Uh huh. The spirit of the Molly McCabe. [00:22:23] Speaker B: And then the leaders of the union and the fraternity started being assassinated one by one. [00:22:29] Speaker A: They were dropping like flies. [00:22:30] Speaker B: Murders of the supposed mollies continued. And so the miners began making plans of revenge killings. So you have a little back and forth here. [00:22:38] Speaker A: There's a little volley, right. [00:22:40] Speaker B: It's like a death. So the way that it ends is this. James the Cunt McKenna, now in his true forms, James the Cunt McParland took this opportunity to accuse 20 men of murder, arson and kidnapping. [00:22:53] Speaker A: What? In the Salem witch trial, most of [00:22:55] Speaker B: these men were hanged. To this day there is still no evidence besides James the Cunt McParlin's testimony that these men were guilty. And to this day, historians debate whether the Molly Maguires even existed at all. They existed in Ireland, right? In Ireland. But like did they exist in Pennsylvania? We'll never know. But like, yeah, in spirit they did. Whether or not they called themselves, I [00:23:19] Speaker A: feel like that's the weird. It was like the re. The re. The rebirth of the Molly McGuire. [00:23:25] Speaker B: Right, right. So this is like really just set the tone a little bit. We have another situation that's a little bit more connected to hr. [00:23:32] Speaker A: So this is like, huh. So this is like, this is like, this is the rage building up, right. This is the need for HR forming at its roots. [00:23:43] Speaker B: So now we're gonna move down to the coal mines in Southern Colorado. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Colorado. [00:23:48] Speaker B: This one's owned by the Rockefellers. The Rockefellers sent recruiters to Italy, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Germany, France and Greece because they figure if they don't know each other's [00:24:00] Speaker A: languages and cultures, they can get away with murder. [00:24:03] Speaker B: Right. They're not gonna like rise up against them. Like they're just not gonna be able to do it even if they wanted to. So you know the. [00:24:09] Speaker A: So the Rockefellers are like, bring me some poor foreigners now before lunch. [00:24:15] Speaker B: And it makes me sad because they were like promised a Lot like they went there and they were like, there's riches and work. And they left their, like, families, their communities thinking that, like, I heard the [00:24:24] Speaker A: streets were paved with gold. Lana Del Rey was gonna, like, welcome them with open arms. [00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, so now this one. Same thing. We've got some bad conditions. I got a couple quotes for this one. Little boy says, mother, I don't want to go into the dark hole. I'm afraid I'll do anything if I don't have to work there. This is another one. Trapped for hours in a dark mine behind a stubborn mule, Young Victor missed dinner and didn't get home until very late at night. Then he realized no one noticed he was missing. Victor reflected on this coal mine experience. People was worth nothing. A mule was worth everything. And they actually were worth more than the miners because it was harder to replace them than it was the miners. [00:25:04] Speaker A: Wow. [00:25:05] Speaker B: You got your company towns. And this is sort of like a little bit like North Korea vibes. They could only read company approved literature, only watch company approved movies. Corporate administrators. Ew. Like, once you. Corporate. Corporate's been around since then. [00:25:22] Speaker A: That's disgusting. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Corporate administrators encourage workers, children to embrace company approved values. Company schools teach students to be obedient workers and patriotic Americans. [00:25:32] Speaker A: This is a big deal. Isn't that, like, so, like, Like, I know I'm uneducated. [00:25:37] Speaker B: It's like we had a little bit of a North Korea situation. [00:25:40] Speaker A: A lot of bit. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:42] Speaker A: Like, damn. [00:25:42] Speaker B: Like, they secluded them in these towns and, like, owned them. [00:25:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:46] Speaker B: Okay, so here we go. We got the notable bad bitch of herstory. Her name was Mother Jones. Her name, her actual name is Mary Harris. She's an Irish. Irish immigrant. She considered all oppressed workers her children, which is so cute. [00:26:02] Speaker A: That is really cute. [00:26:03] Speaker B: She rallied mother and children into leading protests and strikes against employers on the behalf of the minors. Her vibe was getting thrown in jail at 80. [00:26:13] Speaker A: I love her. I love her. [00:26:14] Speaker B: And she would just, like, go back out and keep protesting. Guessing like she didn't give a shit. Like, that was all she did. A quote by her is, if you're afraid to fight, we'll get the woman to fight for you. And beat the hell out of the mine owners. [00:26:25] Speaker A: Yes. [00:26:25] Speaker B: Isn't that so adorable? [00:26:27] Speaker A: She's Mama Bear. She's Mama Bear with the claws out. [00:26:30] Speaker B: And then we get the strike of 1930s. Now we're getting into the early 1900s. [00:26:35] Speaker A: We're in a post Titanic world. [00:26:37] Speaker B: The important thing is what they were demanding, which was the enforcement of Colorado's mine Safety law. So there were laws, but they just, [00:26:46] Speaker A: they just got away with it. [00:26:47] Speaker B: And then the mine owners saw this attack on their right to private property. But it's like, are these people your property? Okay, so they were willing to go to war to protect the right to run their mines however they saw fit. The coal miners go on strike, and then because of this, because they're like, like, you don't get to tell us how we run our mines. They kick them out of their homes. So then they trudge, all of them trudge into the mud, into an open prairie and just set up tents with the help of like a union nearby. So they have this like colony of tent cities or whatever where they start to like, live, which is badass. I feel like. Yeah, they're like, we're just gonna live the old fashioned way as like hunter gatherers. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Fuck you. Yeah, I'm gonna mind my business. I'm not gonna mine your coal. [00:27:34] Speaker B: So they had like a little town, like a little community there. Like, the tents were lined, like streets. They had a community tent where they got their meals. They planned their strike activities. [00:27:44] Speaker A: They had a little supper, a little volleyball. [00:27:46] Speaker B: They did. They actually played baseball. [00:27:48] Speaker A: I love that. [00:27:49] Speaker B: On time off, whenever there wasn't a snowstorm, because they made it. They stayed for a while. PR was involved in this. Reporters were on this. So America was watching. And they purposely put up a medical tent so that, like, the reporters could see that more obviously, because at the time they were seen as dangerous savages. And I don't know if they were seen as a dangerous savages because, like, they were foreigners or because they were laborers or because they were strange. [00:28:17] Speaker A: They were just like poor homeless people. [00:28:19] Speaker B: And they're like, yeah, danger, yeah. And at first they were kicked out, and then the Rockefellers hired gunmen to raid the tent colonies. And they did kill people, but, like, they didn't like, disperse. They refused to disperse. And they lasted through the winter of this of like, them killing them and like sort of just this back and forth. And they would like, their way of striking would to be to, like, go into town and destroy company property. And like, they would attempt, as any strike breakers, like, people who kept going to work, they would try to like, stop them from working because they were like, you, like, fuck you, bitch, so you're not standing with us or whatever. And then the Rockefeller started to panic because then shit wasn't getting done. You know, like, whatever coal was, their [00:29:01] Speaker A: coal's not being mined. They have to rebuild the bakery. So basically these are elves. [00:29:05] Speaker B: So they're starting to panic. Their gunmen aren't working. And then so they had the governor called the National Guard. The National Guard is a state based military that can be called upon to respond to a variety of emergencies and conflicts. And when the National Guard showed up to the tent colonies, they got all excited. They were like, oh, shit. Yeah. Like, they literally were like chanting for them. Like they felt like they were like being relieved. They felt like the government was coming to their side to their aid. But the National Guard was actually being paid for by the Rockefellers. [00:29:41] Speaker A: So over the hill they come and they see a hero in shining armor. As they get closer, they realize. [00:29:48] Speaker B: And then they come in and they try to disperse the strikers. Same with violence, same thing. And then there's like throughout the winter, this back and forth of violence. Okay, so what do we got next? Notable Poppy of history. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Damn, hold on. [00:30:06] Speaker B: His name is Louis Tikas. Tikas. He's a Greek fella. He represented the Greeks there. It's called Ludlow or Ludlow, by the way, the town, the little tent colony or maybe the area where the 10 colony was. So he was a leader. He organized strikes, he was peaceful. And then just a note on the Greeks. They were really tough guys because they were veterans from the Greek army who defended against Turkey back in the day. For them, they were tough guys. [00:30:33] Speaker A: Like, hey, yo. [00:30:34] Speaker B: It's like they were really scary guys. But then Luis, Papi, Luis, he cared about keeping the peace. [00:30:42] Speaker A: He's a peacemaker. [00:30:43] Speaker B: He's a peacemaker. [00:30:44] Speaker A: But then he's a tough guy, but he's a peacemaker. He's a softy at the end of the day, right? [00:30:48] Speaker B: Spring 1914. Tensions have grown throughout the winter. [00:30:52] Speaker A: They've spent the winter. They're tired, they're cold, they're frustrated, their people are dying. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Both sides are armed, ready to go. April 19th was the Greek Easter. So they're partying, they're dancing. They have a little, like a village [00:31:06] Speaker A: having a little baklava. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:08] Speaker A: A little spinacopita. [00:31:10] Speaker B: The trees are growing back. Like it's. The air is fresh again. Like they're not. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Like there's like a rejoice, a celebration of life, right? [00:31:17] Speaker B: Because they're living in tents. So like, they had to like sleep in, like winter outside in 10. So like now they. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Hibernation's over, mama. [00:31:24] Speaker B: You know, and like now it's like they could just like farm for themselves. I feel like if they wanted to, [00:31:29] Speaker A: they can make bugatta. [00:31:30] Speaker B: Like, they're happy, they're having a good time. Even, like, it said that, like, the National Guard were playing baseball with them. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Like, it was a kiki. [00:31:38] Speaker B: It was a kiki. Like, they were just standing around. They're like, all right, the vibes are good. [00:31:41] Speaker A: We're not gonna feel like we came over here to kill you guys. Like, yeah, I see. [00:31:43] Speaker B: Pretty cool. [00:31:44] Speaker A: Hold on. [00:31:45] Speaker B: But then the next day. So the vibes were good. The next day, Poppy Lewis goes to meet with the National Guard. Plans meeting. He goes there, killed on site, and now he's this leader for. For the strikers. Like, they look up to him. He's this man of wisdom. [00:32:01] Speaker A: He's their messiah, right? [00:32:03] Speaker B: And now they're fucking. They're pissed off. [00:32:05] Speaker A: I'd be pissed. [00:32:07] Speaker B: At this point, the National Guard is completely replaced by guards who also work as mine guards for the company. I don't really know what that means, but basically, that just means, like, the company had. The National Guard is, like, way more on the side of the company. [00:32:20] Speaker A: The ones that were playing baseball are gone. And now it's. [00:32:23] Speaker B: They're like. I think they were just, like, fucking with them and making them feel like it was like they were chilling and that things were peaceful. But I think probably ultimately, like, now that the spring was around and they got through, they survived the winter. Like, it was gonna be much harder to disperse the strike than before. So, like, because now they. People could really, I feel like, just, like, survive out there. But so I think they came to. Like, they panicked or not. Not that they panicked, but they, like, they went to the ultimate thing. There was something called the death special where an armored car used by private detectives that had a machine gun mounted on the back of it would drive through the tent cities just firing randomly. And then they set lights outside the tent colonies to flash over them at night. This was sort of, I think, psychological torture. Psychological torture, yeah. This was sort of, like, leading up the death special that. That was sort of happening during the winter, and so was, like, the lights at night. But then. So. So we go, we have Easter. They're having a good time. Anyways, next day, Poppy's dead. Battle begins. They're fighting. The National Guard. Starts setting the tents of flame. This is their way of being like, this is it. Like, we're done. [00:33:30] Speaker A: Like, you're dying. [00:33:31] Speaker B: Okay. So in this particular battle on April 20, 13 people died, 11 children and two women underneath a burning tent. [00:33:40] Speaker A: How many people died on this day? [00:33:41] Speaker B: 13, actually, 14, including Poppy Lewis. [00:33:45] Speaker A: Angria. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:46] Speaker A: Wait, stop. [00:33:47] Speaker B: Where is it even? [00:33:48] Speaker A: Oh, I have it. So Daddy's dead. [00:33:50] Speaker B: Daddy's dead. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Eleven little boys are dead. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Yeah, the strikers are pissed. So now they just go into the company towns. They start murdering, destroying shit. [00:33:59] Speaker A: Strikers are like, no more Mr. Nice Guy. Like, Poppy's not here to be like, peaceful protest. They're like, we're murdering, bitch. He was like, gandhi's gone, Mary. [00:34:09] Speaker B: We're coming in with God to calm everyone down. And now they just killed him. So they're like, all right, that's how you want to play? [00:34:15] Speaker A: How you want to play? Then we'll fucking play this game. [00:34:17] Speaker B: Chaos ensues in the companies, and that's when President Wilson calls the military in. And it's the military that ends the whole thing finally. And they basically. They fail. However, let's see. Let's look at the aftermath. Here we get a slogan called Remember Ludlow? By the whole country, because everybody was watching. [00:34:37] Speaker A: We forgot. [00:34:37] Speaker B: We forgot. [00:34:38] Speaker A: We didn't remember Ludlow. [00:34:39] Speaker B: We did. Because I don't remember learning about. [00:34:41] Speaker A: Never heard of Ludlow. [00:34:42] Speaker B: Yeah. This became a turning point in the history of labor rights and labor unions, [00:34:46] Speaker A: because they don't teach us that kind of stuff. [00:34:47] Speaker B: You have to, like, just. I feel like saying something's a turning point is just a way to make it feel a little bit better. Right. When somebody failed, when. When the people that you wanted to win fail, it's just. At least they're a turning point. [00:34:58] Speaker A: It's a turning point. [00:34:59] Speaker B: So the. The one who was running the show was Rockefeller's son. [00:35:03] Speaker A: It's always the fucking son. It's always the snotty, bratty little Nepo baby, that one. [00:35:09] Speaker B: So now he's dealing with PR to help him with his now damaged image. [00:35:13] Speaker A: He's like, oh, my reputation, Daddy, it's ruined. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Daddy. Rockefeller now has to go to Ludlow. He has to go to Colorado to see what the deal is. See the scene, talk to the people, whatever, get the gist of everything. So he implements this, I think is important in the Part of the human resources. Daddy. Rockefeller implements a company union. So this is an organization of workers created by and working for the company. It's not a real union. It's a company union. But that's his. That's his way of like, sort of mending the issue. I love this statement. People in the country saw this as a creature of management. Oh, right, Like a creature. And that's what HR is. [00:35:58] Speaker A: People have known for a lot since the birth. People have known since the birth. [00:36:03] Speaker B: They tried to cover it up even then. It was an illusion. A company union. [00:36:07] Speaker A: They were like, oh, all These people are murdered and blah, blah, blah. But, like, don't worry. We are. We're hr, right? We're a union. We're a family here. It's the bag of pretzels. It's the room temp lemonade. Like, this is the birthplace. [00:36:21] Speaker B: It's always been that way. And I feel like that's where our. Our natural instincts are, seeing the depth of the truth. [00:36:27] Speaker A: There's generational trauma there that's pointing us to steer clear from hr. [00:36:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I love this creature of management. It's just like. [00:36:36] Speaker A: It's like a manic smile. It's a blonde bob haircut. [00:36:41] Speaker B: So that was sort of a failure, that. Like, just the. Just the term company union as. It's. As a thing that kind of failed. [00:36:48] Speaker A: They were like, no, mama. They were like, Wilson. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Because everyone was watching at this point. Everybody was watching. There were, like, a lot of protests throughout the country. Like, people being like, fuck you, rock. So there was like. Even back then, there were people on the streets, like, in, like, New York. There were people outside his house. Like, today, I feel like people being outside of Trump Towers sort of vibes, you know, like, there were people who were like. Because originally the newspaper, the press was like, they're savages. And then I feel like people were like, you know, the rights movement sort of kicked in. [00:37:20] Speaker A: Right, right, right. Their propaganda wasn't working anymore. [00:37:23] Speaker B: I watched a documentary. This guy's name is Vincent C. De Baca. I just want to say a quote from him because I thought that it is very timeless. The balance between labor and capital has always been tipped in favor of laws and protections for capital. And I felt like this is the difference between labor unions and HR is that, like, there needs to be a middleman, because companies are so big, and sometimes people never meet the owner of the company. You know, you have all these factions and, like, bureaucratic levels. So I feel like the difference between, like, a labor union is that, like, that middleman doesn't work for the company. [00:38:00] Speaker A: So there's no, like, allegiance or it's a third party coming in. So there's no bias. [00:38:05] Speaker B: HR is a version of a middleman, but they work for the company. Like, that's the difference. I feel like there's no. [00:38:11] Speaker A: There's no boots on the grounds. There. There's. [00:38:14] Speaker B: There's none of that. It's just like, hi, we're hr. It's like, oh, we're gonna talk about sexual harassment training. Everyone gather in the office. [00:38:25] Speaker A: My pronouns are, it's traumatic. It's traumatic. [00:38:30] Speaker B: It's traumatic. I feel like it's really hot in here. I feel like. Should we take a break? Turn it on. [00:38:34] Speaker A: Take a little break. Regroup. We're gonna take a quick break. Don't forget to like and subscribe. [00:38:44] Speaker B: We are rolling. We're back. We just took a bit of a break. [00:38:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:38:49] Speaker B: And we have to find our way mentally and emotionally back to. [00:38:53] Speaker A: We wanted to take a little break to reset the air conditioning, maybe have a little drink of water. We ended up having the rest of that bottle of sangria and watched three episodes of Couples Therapy. Which is the best show on Brilliant, by the way. Out right now. It's the best show out. Anywho. [00:39:09] Speaker B: All right. So where were we? We just entered the strike. It's the early 1900s. [00:39:13] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [00:39:14] Speaker B: We're addressing now the working conditions and the welfare. [00:39:18] Speaker A: Eek. [00:39:19] Speaker B: I'm not as organized as I should be. [00:39:23] Speaker A: Like Holly says through her purple teeth. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Okay, this is weird. This is a weird one. In the 1920s, the introduction of scientific management principles focusing on efficiency and I highlighted this productivity in the workplace. So I feel like there's sort of amending going from the welfare of the worker. They're mending this department which was created sort of to just. [00:39:55] Speaker A: Huh. [00:39:56] Speaker B: So this department of. It's not called HR yet, sort of the company. The. [00:40:01] Speaker A: A new middleman attempt. [00:40:03] Speaker B: The middleman. Yeah. So it's now sort of being mended into something that's not about the welfare of the workers. It's about the efficiency of the worker. How do we set up an environment so that the worker is more productive? [00:40:15] Speaker A: It's like, let's give them breaks so that they can work longer shifts. Like that kind of manipulation. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Some bitch named Frederick Taylor, known as the father of scientific management. Never heard that term. Don't like it. [00:40:27] Speaker A: So we don't like Fred. [00:40:28] Speaker B: So he played a huge role in the development of the personnel department. So I guess in the early 1900s, we're calling it the personnel department. He advocated the scientific selection and training of workers. [00:40:41] Speaker A: That sounds crazy. That sounds like Darwinism. That sounds wild. It sounds like breeding. [00:40:50] Speaker B: Right. We're literally just like machine parts. How do you make the machine parts just, like, function better? The key principles is this in his scientific management thing. Using the scientific method to determine the most efficient way to work. Matching workers to a task they are suited for. Proactively monitoring performance and providing feedback. Allocating planning tasks to managers so workers focus on the task at hand. That is so familiar to me. Everything in this. And it's not that Bad. It's not that bad. Okay. So then now we have this thing of. In the 1920s, the department, this middleman department. They're gaining new responsibilities. Hiring, evaluating, training, and compensating. World War I comes around, rolls around. [00:41:34] Speaker A: Rosie the Riveter is like, mm, right. [00:41:37] Speaker B: There's a labor shortage. So this sort of department becomes this thing of, like, hiring becomes their big thing. [00:41:45] Speaker A: We need more cogs in the machine. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And if we're gonna do this work, make this work the best, we need specific cogs for specific parts. Who's got more muscle here? [00:41:56] Speaker A: This one has little hands. Will make her reach in the thing. [00:41:58] Speaker B: Exactly that. Exactly. So they're looking at what jobs fit what people. So they're taking a big role in that. [00:42:05] Speaker A: It's like when you're getting a dog and they're like this. This breed is good with children. [00:42:09] Speaker B: Mm. So now the Depression rolls around. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Hey. [00:42:13] Speaker B: New laws have come in place. Laws encouraging fair pay, safe working conditions. We're getting some of the first drafted employee handbooks. World War II comes around. We go the same situation. There's less workers. HR comes in. Not HR, but like, you know, the department of whatever, this middleman department. Then the 1960s and 1970s is a turning point, because the Civil Rights act of 1964 and the Equal Employment Opportunity act of 1972, now you've got all these new obligations where, if failed to meet the obligations, companies will receive stiff penalties. So, like, now this is where you start to see, like, you know, like, HR coming into this tone of, like, workplace practices so that they don't receive those penalties. You know, where you have, like. Like the sexual harassment training at that point. Like, sexual harassment training, I don't believe is, like, around at this time. But, like, you know, that tone probably, like, they start to get more involved in that because this is now the new threat. Whereas, like, the threat before was, like, work unions and stuff like that and welfare, like, actual, like, physical conditions. Now we're talking about civil rights. And so, like, now it's like they're shifting into making sure that companies don't [00:43:32] Speaker A: get sued or whatever for civil rights issues. [00:43:35] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. And then from there, it developed. It was coined, like you thought earlier you said, what, 1980s. [00:43:43] Speaker A: Remember when you said 70 something. [00:43:45] Speaker B: Well, the 1980s is when, like, human resources, like, that's the term that makes sense. Yeah, but so it's been, like, sort of, like, slowly developing. [00:43:54] Speaker A: It's gone. It's like it found a new name and address, but it's been this long festering middleman thing for a long time. [00:44:03] Speaker B: So anyways. Oh, and then I have a Reddit time here. Reddit time, Reddit time, Reddit time. [00:44:09] Speaker A: Ah. In segments. Reddit time, Reddit time. [00:44:14] Speaker B: Reddit time. [00:44:15] Speaker A: Yo, bruh, it's Reddit time. Doo doo dah tah. [00:44:26] Speaker B: Someone asked, is human resources becoming the worst job? This is partially so difficult because I feel like I'm whining, which I should just be grateful I have a decent paying job. Please don't comment to make me feel worse. I already. [00:44:40] Speaker A: It's already so hr. Like, it's so hr. [00:44:43] Speaker B: It's like, remember, we've talked about this. This has been a thing. [00:44:46] Speaker A: Let's break it down because we are. We are coming from a place where our whole lives we've dealt with hr. I'm assuming everyone deals with hr. But, you know, we're talking about the facade, the illusion. We've gone through the history. We're talking about present day now. We're talking about. [00:45:02] Speaker B: We're now, yes, now we're in char. [00:45:05] Speaker A: We're talking about. We're talking about. Let's make sure our ducks are in order and we're crossing our T's, dotting our eyes. [00:45:13] Speaker B: We have this issue. I think it's a common theme in our brand, in our podcast, of not being able to speak the truth. And this person is so afraid. Afraid being working in the hr. [00:45:25] Speaker A: They're so afraid of speaking because that's their whole thing. [00:45:29] Speaker B: They're not allowed to whine. They have to smile and everything's good. [00:45:33] Speaker A: No, they're. They're shackled. They're shackled by the pressures of, like, you know how we always say if you stay canceled, you don't got to get canceled. They live. They live, eat and breathe. Cancel culture. [00:45:44] Speaker B: They said, please don't comment to make me feel worse. I already agree with you. They already hate them. [00:45:50] Speaker A: They hate themselves. Of Rochelle. They look in the mirror every single day and see nothing. They're shackled down by who they've become. [00:45:58] Speaker B: Okay, so they continue. This field requires you to be doing everything at once. In reality, you control finances, future success, hiring, firing, legal compliance, employee retail relation, and so many other things. I have no idea how this can be sustainable as a department. I have worked at three different companies where this is the case. I have done jobs where I was the only one in the department where I've been in a team of seven. I end up feeling constantly burnt out. I actually like working and I work hard, taking work very seriously. So it's not for trying. But I tend to have high work stress. Most days feel like. I feel like a job shouldn't feel like this. I don't feel like a person anymore. I feel like a machine at work, which is the opposite of why I chose this career. I wanted to become the change I wanted to see in the workplace. I. Turns out I'm just as much of a grouch at work as everyone else. Sorry for complaining. [00:46:48] Speaker A: Sorry for existing. [00:46:50] Speaker B: They're not allowed to complain. They're not allowed to speak their truth. Secondly, this is alarming, I think, a little, because if HR is supposed to be this middle man that's, like, keeping everything together, clearly they're. Now HR is becoming the thing that they're afraid of. It's blending into the rest of the workforce that needs to be protected. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Mm. [00:47:11] Speaker B: And who's not? That HR is there to protect the employees. It's there to protect the company. But, like, at least through law, because of, like, laws that exist in the government, HR is there to make sure that those laws happen so that the company doesn't get sued. But now it's like the HR doesn't have. Seems like they're falling apart. So no one's enforcing the rules that they're there to enforce. So. [00:47:34] Speaker A: So the company is just abusing their employees and getting away with it because HR is like. Like a mess. [00:47:38] Speaker B: So then. Yeah. [00:47:39] Speaker A: Which we've seen firsthand. [00:47:40] Speaker B: And so HR is way too afraid to stand up to the company. And, like, the rest of the employees are, like, poor and they're struggling, and they don't have, like, the. The means or the resources or the energy to file a lawsuit, you know, so no one's gonna get justice in this scenario. [00:47:55] Speaker A: But here's your Dixie cup of warm lemonade. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Employ of the month. Here's a 20 gift card to Amazon. [00:48:02] Speaker A: We got employee of the month in. They were like, we're boosting morale. [00:48:06] Speaker B: Ah. [00:48:08] Speaker A: First of all. Okay, first of all, I feel like what I'm good at more than anything on this planet is boosting motherfucker morale. You know, that's got to be on my comedy with some comedy. Because I walk around this place. Yes, I'm a bartender, Sure, I make good drinks. I'm good at what I do. I'm a mixologist. I have passion. It's an art form. But first and foremost, what I do is I bring joy to the people around me, period. I boost morale. I boost morale. You don't boost morale. And there's always this facade and this bullshit about their Little cookie cutter, little pizza. Shut the fuck up. Like, you know. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:43] Speaker A: You don't boost morale. [00:48:44] Speaker B: Yeah, you do. [00:48:44] Speaker A: I boost morale. And then you get on my case. You get on my case because I'm unprofessional. [00:48:49] Speaker B: All you do is you step into the room and you create goosebumps. Hair is going up on people's necks. [00:48:57] Speaker A: People are triggered going into fight or flight mode, right? [00:48:59] Speaker B: Literally. [00:49:00] Speaker A: And you're like, we're doing employee of the month. So then we did that. We did employee of the month. And then the employee of the months were promised a bonus in their pay. Blah, blah. Never got it. Not a single one of them. Not a single one of them got it. [00:49:12] Speaker B: Shit. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Some of them have kids. They all complained to me, you know, they needed this. [00:49:16] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:49:16] Speaker A: One of them was like, all I wanted. All I wanted was to just take home my certificate that I was employee of the month so I could hang it on my fridge for my daughter to see or for my son to see. And they. They didn't even give me that. They didn't give me the pay. They didn't give me the pay raise, dude. [00:49:30] Speaker B: No way. [00:49:31] Speaker A: It's all a facade. [00:49:32] Speaker B: The place that Michael works, we can sue the fuck out of them, I swear to God. And I've been wanting to talk about them, and I won't use their name because Michael's afraid of getting sued for slander or whatever. We're not lawyers here in apartment 1R. But [00:49:46] Speaker A: it pisses me off because, like, I'll be like, laughing loud. I'm loud. I'm laughing. I'm cursing. And my bosses are like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Michael, don't curse. Don't say that. Lower your voice. Lower your voice. There's guests around. Guests. I'm like, yeah, the guests see me right now, and I'm laughing. They love it. Like, I'm laughing with them, you know? But they're just. The stick is so far up their ass, they're choking on it. Hr. Hr. Hr. We're boosting. We have to boost morale. We have to boost morale. I'm like, can we start with turning the air conditioning on in the middle of the summer? This is what I hate about corporations and corporations. [00:50:20] Speaker B: This is the best thing about, like, working at, like, local community places is that you're allowed to. To become a family. They don't want you to. Oh, my God. It's like. It's like the. The coal mines. They don't want you to be a family. They don't want you to get close to each other. They don't want you to communicate with each other so you don't rise up. So you don't rise up against each other. [00:50:36] Speaker A: Literally, me and my coworker, hi Chilli, were literally laughing. Look, we were. There was no customers, and we were just sitting there laughing. And our boss came up to us angry that we were laughing. To this day, I just, like, can't wrap my head around, like, why that would be. [00:50:50] Speaker B: No, they don't want people to get close to each other because then there can be an uprising. So they have these other ways of manipulating us, like separating different departments. [00:50:58] Speaker A: Cutting our hours together. [00:51:01] Speaker B: Yes, Cutting our hours together. I have that situation all under this [00:51:05] Speaker A: facade of, like, we care about boosting morale. We're a family here. We're a family. And then you actually, like, are a family with your co workers and like, like, do have good morale and they punish you for it. [00:51:19] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:19] Speaker A: They don't want the reality. They want the facade. They want the guests to come by and for you to be like, quick little inside joke. Turn to guests. Do you want to be invited in this? You can have a little bit of this inside joke if you get the nine ounce pour of our Pinot Grigio. Like, that's what they want. They don't want reality. They're afraid of reality. They're shackled. They're trembling with fear. Their skin goosebumps from head to toe. [00:51:45] Speaker B: Someone said, this is funny. Someone said this. This is on a different Reddit post. Someone asked the question, what is it like being in hr? And then someone replied, I would urge you to reconsider HR unless you are a useless parasite that's a horrible human being. [00:52:02] Speaker A: I love that. Me too. [00:52:03] Speaker B: But, like, it's big. [00:52:04] Speaker A: Shout out to my friend Dee Dee who works in hr. [00:52:07] Speaker B: Oh, my bad, Dee Dee. [00:52:08] Speaker A: And I know you're listening. [00:52:09] Speaker B: I'm sorry. He listened to I'm sorry, but it's okay. I'm not coming for you. No, I'm coming for the owners. [00:52:15] Speaker A: No, the thing is, he's just in his bag. [00:52:17] Speaker B: What does that mean? [00:52:18] Speaker A: Like, he's just focused on getting his money and that's it. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Oh, is that the new term these days with you kids? He's in his bag means he wants money. [00:52:27] Speaker A: Like, he's in his purse, like, and, [00:52:29] Speaker B: yeah, I'm not coming for you. I'm just like, no, no, no. [00:52:31] Speaker A: I'm coming for the whole system. [00:52:33] Speaker B: Yeah, we're coming for the coal miner owners. We're coming for the Rockefellers. [00:52:37] Speaker A: We are the McGuire. We're the Lizzie McGuire. [00:52:40] Speaker B: Oh, my God. We're the Molly McGu. Oh, my God. With a current day Molly McGuire. [00:52:45] Speaker A: This is what delusion looks like firsthand. Like, these people were like famished, war ridden, like vigilantes. And we're like sitting in a New York City air conditioned apartment with microphones. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Dad, if he was a Miley Molly Meyer. [00:52:58] Speaker A: No, Holly fetishizes my Irish heritage like, every single day of my life. [00:53:02] Speaker B: Well, it's like you got to just like, appreciate the history. I'm American. [00:53:10] Speaker A: No, we're American. No, me and Holly identify as American. Not in like a America, make America great again kind of way, but because we refuse to be delusional. Like, we are from New York. [00:53:22] Speaker B: We're America delusional that we refuse to be delusional. [00:53:25] Speaker A: We're so delusional that we just like, absolutely can't handle claiming to be Italian right now. [00:53:30] Speaker B: You know, Even though I'm like forcing the ir. The Irish on Michael as we speak. Do you feel like that? No, no. But it's just like. It's just like you are. And we're talking about it. [00:53:44] Speaker A: It's my people. [00:53:45] Speaker B: It's my culture. No, we're American because I feel like [00:53:49] Speaker A: we, like if McNally, McNelson, whoever, like the warriors from back then that we were talking about. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Molly McGuire's. [00:53:55] Speaker A: Yeah. If they. If they heard some faggot in apartment 1R being like, that's my people. No, I'm kidding. I'm totally. [00:54:04] Speaker B: You know what? Besides that. Besides, like, whatever. Whoever we are, whoever we identify as, it doesn't matter. Like, like country wise. It matters. Workers wise. [00:54:14] Speaker A: Right. Because, like, that's in my blood. So, like, I could get it the fuck out right now and start barking at my manager. [00:54:19] Speaker B: Right. I feel like. [00:54:20] Speaker A: And it'll be. It'll be like the ghosts of the Molly McGuire's on my shoulders. Like the ancestors and I also guiding me. [00:54:27] Speaker B: We come from a blue collar family, both of us. So we come from a people who would need to arise, rise against the owners sometimes, you know? [00:54:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:39] Speaker B: And now here we are, suffocated under corporate. [00:54:44] Speaker A: I hate it. So here at Apartment, we feel the [00:54:47] Speaker B: spirit of the Molly McGuires. [00:54:49] Speaker A: We feel the spirit of them for sure. And we need to rise up with them. [00:54:52] Speaker B: All right, let's see what else we got here on Reddit time. [00:54:55] Speaker A: Reddit time. We gotta work on that. [00:54:58] Speaker B: I am only in my mid-20s and I work for two big global companies. HR, IMO, depletes so much of my energy no matter how many boundaries you put in place, it's just exhausting. I cry at least once a week. I know so many people who are just as tired. That's the one. I cry at least once a week. I find myself constantly bringing my work home with me and being a bitch. Not only at work, but home too. [00:55:21] Speaker A: No, me, Like, I, like, look around because I'm sitting here being like, I boost morale and I bring light to people, when in reality, it's probably me half of the time being like, I can't fucking believe I still work here. This place a piece of shit. You want to hear what they did to me today? You want to hear what they did to me today? [00:55:36] Speaker B: Sometimes I'm literally walking down the sidewalk, and I'm like, I'm living my trauma right now. Ooh, this one's fun. Someone writes pros. Recruiting and growing employees. It's great to find someone that's a good fit for an open job. And when we watch them grow and excel over time. I hate that word, excel. Shut up. If you're at a company long enough, eventually you're the person that has hired everyone. Cons. You know, all the skeletons. I'm like, ooh, that's the tea. [00:56:07] Speaker A: There's some tea. [00:56:08] Speaker B: It's like, that's the pro. To me, I feel like I'm the opposite here. Cons. [00:56:12] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? Cons is like, excelling in the thing. The pros is. You get the gossip. [00:56:17] Speaker B: You get the gossip. You know about the guy who slapped a female's ass. You know about the handful of employees that have domestic abuse charges, but they were long enough ago that they were eligible to be hired. You know how much everyone makes. This can honestly be fine if things are structured well and teammates make equal pay. When that's not the case, you know, [00:56:37] Speaker A: like, she's a little sassy. [00:56:39] Speaker B: I would say the worst is when, you know, one boss makes more than double his second in command, but the second in command does all the work. And lastly, you're the one that does the layoffs or has to serve as a witness to the firings. That sucks. I would still rank laying off hardworking people as some of the worst moments in my life. Yeah. All right. I'll give you that one. But, like, the other, the T. Like, that's the. That, to me, would be the positive. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Like, I almost feel like you and me need to shift this podcast. Like, we need to go GoPro. We need to work for HR and do investigative journalism. [00:57:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:12] Speaker A: From the inside. [00:57:14] Speaker B: We wouldn't survive. [00:57:15] Speaker A: Not a day. Not one day. [00:57:16] Speaker B: I feel like I would go in and make some level of white trash that you can, you cannot remove from a person. [00:57:23] Speaker A: Yeah, like you could take the trash. I. No, I don't even know. [00:57:27] Speaker B: Listen, you can give a girl cash, she'll always be white trash. [00:57:31] Speaker A: Right? [00:57:32] Speaker B: So. [00:57:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:32] Speaker B: So that's a history of HR a little bit, I think. I hope. Did you learn something today? [00:57:37] Speaker A: No. No, I'm kidding. I did. No, it was fun. [00:57:41] Speaker B: So. [00:57:41] Speaker A: So before we go, Holly, what do you love? [00:57:43] Speaker B: Okay. I love. [00:57:45] Speaker A: I'm so excited for this one. [00:57:48] Speaker B: I love the, the phrase. I love like so much. I think this is like the best phrase that ever was made. [00:58:01] Speaker A: Uh huh. [00:58:04] Speaker B: Not to hype it up or anything, but I just love the phrase the shit hit the fan. I love it so much. [00:58:18] Speaker A: I love it too. Like I never gave it its flowers before. Like I've said it, I've heard it plenty of times. The visual is so bad because that's exactly what happens. Like you take a piece of shit and you throw it and it hits a moving fan and it spurts and just explodes all over the room. You hear it like it has like a. Like, like the shit hits the fan, it's like, like, like spraying up the wall with diarrhea. [00:58:48] Speaker B: So accurate to life. Sometimes when you say the hit the fan, like, Like it's getting everywhere and it's just there. [00:59:04] Speaker A: Cuz it's like the. Cuz when you use the phrase the hit the fan, it's implied that the. And the fan had already existed for quite some time, you know, but it's the meeting point. It's like everything finally just came together and exploded. [00:59:18] Speaker B: It's such an important metaphor. [00:59:21] Speaker A: It really is. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Like. Oh, I can envision it. Like my question is too, like, how would you envision like the shit getting there? [00:59:28] Speaker A: I'm picturing an oscillating, like I'm not picturing a ceiling fan. I'm picturing an oscillating like standing. [00:59:34] Speaker B: Oh, I was picturing a ceiling fan. [00:59:36] Speaker A: I'm picturing like, oh, floor standing, oscillating fan. [00:59:40] Speaker B: Oh God. And it's just circulating throughout the room. [00:59:42] Speaker A: Throw a piece of shit on it and it's like just like spitting diarrhea all over the walls and ceiling. [00:59:49] Speaker B: I was picturing it on the ceiling. Like somehow like a poopy bag or something gets thrown at the fan and it's just spraying all over the room. Like raining shit. [00:59:58] Speaker A: I love that. Yeah, I think that's really important. Really important. And I think that it's time that that phrase gets its flowers. [01:00:05] Speaker B: Like, when some shit goes down, the shit hit the fan. Like, the worst possible thing. And, like. [01:00:15] Speaker A: Like, we were gambling by throwing shit, but, like, it hit the fan. [01:00:18] Speaker B: It hit the fan. One move. One move and utter chaos. Like, how did somebody come even to that state of mind? [01:00:26] Speaker A: That's like, you took a piece of shit and threw it at a fan. [01:00:29] Speaker B: They had to, like, have visually thought about that. [01:00:31] Speaker A: I love that. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Right? So that's what I love. [01:00:34] Speaker A: I love that, too. I really do. I really am happy about that. [01:00:38] Speaker B: Like, there's a lot of beauty, I think, in that. Yeah, there is this shit hit the fan. [01:00:43] Speaker A: Like, it's like, two hours worth of, like, HR debacles and, like, human suffering. But, like, it's okay because we also live in the same timeline as the phrase the shit hit the fan. [01:00:52] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [01:00:52] Speaker A: So some things work out. There's little victories all around us. [01:00:56] Speaker B: So, yeah, this was our first. You guys don't know this. This is our first time in the studio. [01:01:01] Speaker A: Oh, right. Yeah. Some changes are happening around here, y'. All. We're in our studio, which by now you guys have seen over on our Instagram Perturbed podcast. That's Perturbed Podcast. We post some pictures. We have some fun in the comments over there. You could always DM us if you want us to talk about something that perturbs you. So Instagram's always a fun, safe place to do that. Again, that's Perturbed Podcast. So, yeah, we're in the studio today, [01:01:26] Speaker B: so, yeah, that's a big move for us and our shit together. Getting our shit together. It's not hitting. No, it's right now. It's secured. [01:01:36] Speaker A: Like, picture the shit hitting the fan and then playing that footage in reverse. [01:01:41] Speaker B: In reverse. [01:01:42] Speaker A: It's the shit collecting and migrating away from the fan. [01:01:45] Speaker B: Right, Right. So, yeah. So I hope you guys are having a good day. [01:01:51] Speaker A: Maybe you're on the way to work and you want to stop and get a quick iced coffee and iced latte. Maybe you work at hr. [01:01:57] Speaker B: Slice of pizza. Maybe you work in HR and you just. [01:02:00] Speaker A: Maybe all you want is a room temp, Dixie cup of lemonade and a quarter of a slice of pizza on a paper plate. You have that, and there's a time and a place for that, I think. [01:02:09] Speaker B: And you know what? Don't feel judged. If that's what makes you happy, you fucking eat that slice of pizza and you drink out of that Dixie cup, [01:02:15] Speaker A: and you and Maybe. And I know you and you're damping, you're like damping paper towel on that little fourth of a slice of pizza. [01:02:22] Speaker B: Maybe if you really want to and you're alone, just like squeeze at the end. Squeeze the Dixie cup. Squeeze all the liquid out of the Dixie cup. Like suck on it. [01:02:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Suckle on that room temp sugar cup. [01:02:36] Speaker B: Because there's liquid still left in the Dixie cup. Yeah. [01:02:38] Speaker A: Cuz it'll like absorb a little. Unless it has that like waxy kind of grainy like film on it. [01:02:43] Speaker B: Suck on that too. You get some of that in there, it's fine. [01:02:46] Speaker A: You know, make candles. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, oh, you're right. You're right at the, on the outside [01:02:52] Speaker A: of it and on the inside. Oh, right. [01:02:54] Speaker B: I don't know. I can't like totally remember the Dixie [01:02:56] Speaker A: cups, you know, like remember being in the dentist. That like little cup of like blue water they give. You hated that. I mean I loved it because I'm like I need that. [01:03:04] Speaker B: I know. It feels like it's really getting through the crumb. [01:03:08] Speaker A: I hate that whole experience though. [01:03:09] Speaker B: Oh no, that's just a cup for water. [01:03:11] Speaker A: But why is it blue? [01:03:14] Speaker B: Know it's been four years since I went to the dentist. [01:03:16] Speaker A: I was at the. I went to the dentist for the first time in years, like pretty recently. [01:03:19] Speaker B: I know. Your calmness about it actually made me feel like mentally ready to go back. [01:03:23] Speaker A: My calmness about the dentist? Oh, because when I broke my tooth in half. [01:03:26] Speaker B: Wait, that's why you went to the dentist? [01:03:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I broke my tooth out of my skull. [01:03:29] Speaker B: Oh, you didn't just. Here I am thinking that you just decided I should go back. [01:03:33] Speaker A: I have to. It was like me calling my mom, having a panic attack at work. [01:03:37] Speaker B: You broke your. [01:03:38] Speaker A: Yes, I was like I feel like a cookie, like I'm crumbling. [01:03:41] Speaker B: Oh my God. How did you break your tooth? [01:03:43] Speaker A: I bit into a bagel and out came my tooth. Half of it. [01:03:46] Speaker B: Did it hurt? [01:03:47] Speaker A: No, that was the scary part. And then what I realized it was because it was the previous root canal that I had had done. So I didn't have any nerve there. So I didn't feel the fact that it broke. But then get this, this is the gagger. When I got it filled up, they didn't even give me novocaine cuz I had no nerve there. So they were doing like oh, on my tooth with no novocaine or anything. [01:04:08] Speaker B: So tell me what was having a root canal? Like, because I've heard of it. [01:04:11] Speaker A: So the first time. This is Did I talk about when I hit my dentist already and was removed? [01:04:16] Speaker B: I think you have. [01:04:17] Speaker A: So that was the root canal. T. And then. So I tried to get my root canal done the first time. Didn't work out. [01:04:22] Speaker B: When you finally did. [01:04:23] Speaker A: Do you remember when I finally did? It was gorgeous. It was beautiful. It was like one of the most. It was the most wonderful procedure I've ever had done. [01:04:29] Speaker B: Really? Because isn't it like they're pulling out like a hole? [01:04:32] Speaker A: It's me laying there on laughing gas while some ladies, like beautiful Asian American doctor is like calmly talking to me. I was like, ah. Like I almost got an erection. Like, it was like so calm and so peaceful. There was like aquarium music sounds like around me. And I was fully conscious on this laughing gas. And I remember I was like taking the laughing gas. I was like, this is a lot. He goes, oh, we could stop. I go, no, no, no, no, no. I want more. I was like addicted to the laughing gas. And then I felt him scraping out my gum and scraping, pulling. But it didn't hurt. But I was like, aware of. But I was like, that's interesting. He's scraping out my organs. [01:05:10] Speaker B: Oh my God. [01:05:11] Speaker A: But I was just so calm. And you know what? [01:05:13] Speaker B: It's probably the laughing gas that helps with that because I've heard that it was horrible. And maybe the person who had gotten it done had like a numbing thing [01:05:19] Speaker A: because that's what they tried on me in the first place. They tried the little Novocaine. I said, no, no, I need something stronger. I need something stronger. [01:05:25] Speaker B: Novocaine. Like you don't feel it, I guess, but you can still mentally process what's going on. The scraping and. [01:05:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like mentally, like, like giggly. [01:05:33] Speaker B: That's good. [01:05:34] Speaker A: Cuz something about me. I'm a big person and when I'm strapped down to a table at a dentist, I become a screaming boar. It's not a pretty sight like me with a needle in my. In any vicinity. [01:05:44] Speaker B: I really thought, no, Michael just like went to the dentist. [01:05:47] Speaker A: Like, I will never. [01:05:48] Speaker B: Maybe it's my turn. [01:05:49] Speaker A: Maybe I'm happy that that's how it was perceived and that's what you gained from that. But I will never take care of myself without, like, it being a dire situation. [01:05:58] Speaker B: Like, no, I feel that, like there's. It's only when, like those moments come up there, you're like, ah, I have to go. Yeah. [01:06:05] Speaker A: And then I remember when I was there, they were like, all right, so like, your next appointment checkup will schedule for Three months. I said, okay, that sounds wonderful. The second I left, texted them, cancel. Look, I didn't even want to say no in person, so I scheduled the appointment, left the front door, and texted them, cancel. I was like, no. Thank you. [01:06:23] Speaker B: Three months is. Is too soon. [01:06:24] Speaker A: Way too soon. That's too much. All right, thank y'. [01:06:27] Speaker B: All. Well, thank you, guys. We love you. And we're gonna off. [01:06:33] Speaker A: We're gonna off. Remember that. We are so desperate to hear from you guys because we know you're all pretend. [01:06:38] Speaker B: We want your stories Br. Be Reddit. We need a Reddit. We should have a Reddit account. [01:06:42] Speaker A: We should have a Reddit account. So we'll work on that. Hopefully by the time this episode comes out, we'll have a Reddit account. If not, stay tuned. [01:06:47] Speaker B: Stories. We need your story because. [01:06:48] Speaker A: Because we know. Here's the thing. We know you're perturbed already. We know you are. [01:06:52] Speaker B: We're all in this together. [01:06:53] Speaker A: We're all perturbed, okay? So we know you're perturbed. You want to hear about it? Cuz nobody likes to be perturbed alone. Misery loves company. And that's what this podcast is about. Love you. [01:07:01] Speaker B: Mean it. Love you.