Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:01 Are we recording? Yeah. Hey. No. Yeah, yeah. No. Welcome back to another episode of What Goes Down in Apartment one R with
Speaker 1 00:00:09 Holly and Michael,
Speaker 0 00:00:10 We love you. We appreciate you, and we see you. Holly, what pisses you off?
Speaker 1 00:00:16 This is something that makes me feel alone in the world. I feel like the world is gaslighting me and succeeding. I feel small, I feel misunderstood about this subject. And the subject is Taylor Swift.
Speaker 0 00:00:30 Okay. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:00:32 Because I don't understand how she got so big when she got so big. I'm hearing that she's being compared to Michael Jackson. It's not adding up to me. And all of you bitches are like, that's what it is, Holly. That's where it's at now.
Speaker 0 00:00:46 I feel like you and me, we know Love Story by Taylor Swift. And then that's about it. Since Love Story, it's been a slow burn. It's been a, it's been a building behind the scenes of Taylor Swift that you and I have not been a part of. And here we are years later and it's catching up to us. We're out of the loop.
Speaker 1 00:01:04 But how could she be that big? And for me not to have known. You don't
Speaker 0 00:01:08 Know a lot of things <laugh>. I
Speaker 1 00:01:09 Know. You're right. You're right. I do live under a rock. I just, I haven't heard any of her new songs besides, look what
Speaker 0 00:01:15 You made me do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:01:16 I heard that song and I thought it was like, all right, chill. Like you're not,
Speaker 0 00:01:19 And it's funny because that song is what, five years old? And you're like, I heard that new song. I'm like five years old. <laugh>. So I think it's safe to zoom Holly on the podcast said, fuck Taylor Swift. She hates her guts. Taylor, if you're listening, go fuck yourself. It's
Speaker 1 00:01:32 Not that I hate her, it's just I really, I'm really not understanding how she's this big. What's so special about her? Like she's just a regular, conventionally pretty pop star.
Speaker 0 00:01:45 I feel like that's, um, that's the way the cookie crumbles, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 00:01:49 Can anybody write in the comments if they're just as confused as I am? No. Hate for her. It just feels like it came out of nowhere.
Speaker 0 00:01:58 I'm confused too. You are. Because I know, you know, she's been around. She's been doing her thing. Global phenomenon. Pop star number one, um, artist of a Generation. I don't know where that came from. Like, yeah, she's around. She's been doing her thing. I didn't get that memo.
Speaker 1 00:02:12 I feel like she's like, I don't know the Jonas Brothers. She was around once in a while. She came back like, I don't know her story. I don't know. Is she at Kardashian level? You know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Is she at the royals level?
Speaker 0 00:02:25 She's there. That's just
Speaker 1 00:02:26 Wild to me. And also it bothers me. It really does. It bothers me. Um, for some reason that she's at that level. <laugh>. I haven't listened to her music, so maybe it's amazing. Have you,
Speaker 0 00:02:39 You know, it's funny you say this because in my Uber ride yesterday, a Taylor Swift song came on the radio. I thought it's good. Was it something to write home about? Am I gonna re-listen to it? No, it's not for me. It was
Speaker 1 00:02:48 Good. Right. It's just common pop.
Speaker 0 00:02:50 Wanna know what it is? I feel like she plays in the malls and like Targets. Right? Like that seems like her, her thing. She's very commercial. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:02:59 So then, but that makes me mad. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> if she's this big, because she's very commercial. I just, what I'm saying basically, I guess is that maybe teen, like, but do tweens get to decide who's top dog in the music industry? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:03:13 I don't think it's tweens. I heard people that I work with raving about Taylor Swift. That's
Speaker 1 00:03:18 So weird. Yeah. You just don't get it. I can see it in your eyes. No,
Speaker 0 00:03:21 Because here's the thing for you, it's out of nowhere. It's, you heard one song 10 years ago and then you woke up one day and she is a Kardashian and you're confused. I think I, I was there. I think I saw the, the buildup. I don't listen to her music or anything, but I've seen the Swift fans growing slowly in the backgrounds. I've been aware of the shark in the water. I've seen the fin in the pond.
Speaker 1 00:03:43 And so it's just a thing for you.
Speaker 0 00:03:45 It's just there. It's like the same way Ariana Grande is a gay icon now. But
Speaker 1 00:03:49 That also annoys me. No, it pisses
Speaker 0 00:03:50 Me
Speaker 1 00:03:51 Off. In regards to Ariana Grande. I don't really know her personality. Do you need to know an artist's personality? I don't know. No,
Speaker 0 00:03:58 Because look at Beyonce. Look at Madonna. They're not personality people. But you still feel them. Their message and their music. I don't feel Ariana Grande's message in her music. I don't feel,
Speaker 1 00:04:08 Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 0 00:04:08 Yeah. I don't feel Taylor Swift. I mean, then again, I haven't listened to a lot of Taylor Swift's songs, but I don't know. What would her message be? What's her message? Let us know down in the comments below what her message is. Cause Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:04:18 Tell us if you disagree. I what? I wanna know if you have an argument. I actually genuinely, I wanna know. Um, I wanna know what makes her so special. I wanna know. I want to know why you feel that she's as big as she is. Because I don't think you're gonna come up with anything valid.
Speaker 0 00:04:35 There's the Kanye thing, but
Speaker 1 00:04:36 Now I'm starting to think Kanye had a fucking point. I like something's missing here. And I, the
Speaker 0 00:04:41 Math is not adding up.
Speaker 1 00:04:42 What perturbs me about this whole situation is that there is a missing piece. And everybody looks at me like it just is what it is. Holly. Like what? I don't know. I don't understand what you're so confused about. No. No.
Speaker 0 00:04:55 <laugh>. You need answers.
Speaker 1 00:04:56 I need answers. I wanna know. It's not adding up in my brain. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 0 00:04:59 <affirmative>, tell us about the little documentary commercial you saw.
Speaker 1 00:05:01 Oh yeah. I just saw, I don't know how I ended up seeing it because
Speaker 0 00:05:05 She's infiltrating.
Speaker 1 00:05:06 She's like, I couldn't take it anymore. She took a break. Taylor Swift disappears from the scene and then she comes out and she starts speaking about politics as a woman. No one wanted to hear what my political opinions are. And then she spoke out and said what she believes. I'm just not seeing that there's anything there.
Speaker 0 00:05:24 Also, I think there's a disconnect between her and reality because real everyday people don't, or at least I don't care to watch a documentary about Taylor Swift going, oh, from her mansion crying. Not for me. Um, I feel like she thinks it's relatable. I don't think it's relatable.
Speaker 1 00:05:41 It's not. I'm gonna listen to her song. I'm still gonna post this. First of all, I wanna know if I'm missing something and if you can convince me, I wanna know if anyone can convince me there's a legitimate reason why she's so popular other than it's just commercial bullshit and the radio playing her music forcefully. But like, does anybody listen to the radio anymore? Like that's another thing that could loses
Speaker 0 00:06:02 Me. Does this thing people are downloading her music. Oh, you know, like people love Ms. Taylor Swift. Hmm. Millions across the planet. Love her cry. Love her. Breaking down in tears. You saved my life. Taylor Swift. Isn't that wild? It
Speaker 1 00:06:18 Still is so wild to hear you say that. Cause I feel like I'm complaining about bullshit that doesn't really exist. But then it exists. It exists. It just continues to blow my fucking mind.
Speaker 0 00:06:27 Let us know your thoughts on the Taylor Swift phenomenon because it is a phenomenon. So
Speaker 1 00:06:32 Either tell us if you have the missing puzzle piece or I'd like to know if anybody agrees with me. If anyone's as shook as I am, I need to know because I feel gaslit by the world. You feel
Speaker 0 00:06:42 Gaslit.
Speaker 1 00:06:43 Everyone's like, yeah, she's so big now. People like her. Okay, so nobody's surprised.
Speaker 0 00:06:48 Wanna know what? I'm not surprised? And this is why, cuz I don't really have any hope. If people think Ariana Grande is a gay icon, and Harry Styles is the coolest person ever. I'm not surprised that Taylor Swift is a huge deal. I'm
Speaker 1 00:07:03 Not. You're right. Actually, let's put that out there. Unpopular opinion in Apartment one R. That Ariana Grande isn't that special. Get over it.
Speaker 0 00:07:11 Very talented girl love her. Um, is she that special? No. Is she an a gay icon? No. Is she something to cry about? Say she saved my life with her corny pop music? No. You know, I feel it's the same with Taylor Swift. It's the genre. Lana Delray, all of the emotion. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, all of the emotion is in there.
Speaker 1 00:07:31 It's extremely raw and desperate.
Speaker 0 00:07:33 Beyonce. Strength, emotion, empowerment, desperation. There's character.
Speaker 1 00:07:38 It feels like less character with Ariana Grande. You know, Harry Styles. Like I always kind of just thought everyone thought he was cute and cuz he's a, which a little metrosexual.
Speaker 0 00:07:47 I'm also not seeing that
Speaker 1 00:07:48 Doesn't feel like character. It feels like branding. And I just, to me that's, it just feels obvious that that's just what it is. Are you jumping on the bandwagon of loving someone because everyone else loves them? Is that a thing that people do? Or
Speaker 0 00:08:03 Are you genuinely, genuinely, genuinely love with these people? It's possible. Let us know if you're an empath or a Taylor Swift fan or an Ariana Grande fan,
Speaker 1 00:08:13 I've yet to meet a Taylor Swift fan in the flesh.
Speaker 0 00:08:16 A colleague, they walk amongst you, they walk amongst you. It could be a neighbor, it could be a friend, it could be a C colleague, a coworker. They, they're among us. They're among us. All ask people, start asking people. You're gonna be surprised how many of them go love her. Have all of her music downloaded. I have a shirt at home. Oh my God. The Taylor Swift fans are among us. They're spread around the world disguised as normal people.
Speaker 1 00:08:38 Wow. Shocked in awe. Yeah. I'm out of the loop. You're out of the loop. I'm out of the loop.
Speaker 0 00:08:43 There's a loop and you're a rambus. Oh my God. We're rolling. If she stops now, she's never gonna finish goddamn door up. I'll fuck you up dude. I'll literally, we're
Speaker 2 00:08:55 Fine. We're fine. The jobs, the economy.
Speaker 4 00:09:11 He has some, he has issues. Um, do I need
Speaker 5 00:09:15 To tone it down? Do I need to tone everything down?
Speaker 0 00:09:19 If you claim to be an alpha male <laugh>, you are a guppy. Like you are a tad pole. If you walk around and say I am an alpha male, you are the fish that they get at the fucking um, you're a carnival fish. That's what you are <laugh>. You think you're an alpha male, you're a carnival fish. I worked with this guy for a little bit. I worked at a coffee shop for like two. It was the only time I ever got fired. I worked there for like two weeks cuz they had horrible taste. Um, and this guy, the entire time that was training me was this little twerp and he was talking the entire time about how he was an alpha male and that I was an alpha male. I said, okay, this is where we need to stop because if you think you are an alpha male and you think I'm I'm an alpha
Speaker 1 00:09:57 Male, you are an alpha male.
Speaker 0 00:09:59 Not the way he interpreted it. He was like, I bet you get bitches. I was like, okay. Because
Speaker 1 00:10:05 He never met a gay male in his life.
Speaker 0 00:10:06 Literally. I felt like he was trying to compliment me by being like, I bet you get so many bitches. I actually took it as an insult. I was like, you think I'm straight? Either you are the dumbest person I've ever met in my entire life or you clearly think I'm gay, but you are too scared to say that I'm gay looking. So you wanna like pretend like I'm straight As if being gay is like an insult or something.
Speaker 1 00:10:28 It reads as um, pathetic and young uhhuh <affirmative>. You're trying a little too hard. If you're like young, I know this and like yeah I have experience in that and blah blah blah
Speaker 0 00:10:38 Py. Yeah. You're not alpha male.
Speaker 1 00:10:40 What's the lower end beta male.
Speaker 0 00:10:42 It's beyond that. It's not beta male. It's junk mail. You know, it's spam. Yeah. First of all, can we dissect what is an alpha male? According to the straight man? Because I saw this YouTube video, I wish I knew his name right now, but I saw this YouTuber. He talks about how to be an alpha male and proper ways to be an alpha male and blah blah. Oh
Speaker 1 00:10:59 That exists
Speaker 0 00:11:00 Holly. It's so creepy. It's literally so creepy. He's like, make sure that you do like,
Speaker 1 00:11:05 Make sure that you find women and sell them.
Speaker 0 00:11:09 It's giving that <laugh>, it's like always remember that you are the man in the relationship. Women will never be able to fully comprehend what it's like to be a person. That's the vibe. Don't ever let your woman have control over anything. Like ew, ew, ew, ew, ew.
Speaker 1 00:11:30 This is why I love the term real men wear pink.
Speaker 0 00:11:33 Hashtag real men eat ass. Go
Speaker 1 00:11:35 On. I just love the vibe of like, yeah, whatever. I think that is so much more adult hot. The ones that are like, it's fine. Whatever. Yeah. If they're like, who do? Then it's like, oh God, his ego is shattering. We have to walk away
Speaker 0 00:11:47 Like uhoh the chihuahua's yapping again. Put him out in the rain. The
Speaker 1 00:11:51 Child's got its feelings. Hurt
Speaker 0 00:11:52 Someone give him his cookie before he hits someone. Someone
Speaker 1 00:11:55 Make him feel superior before our lives are threatened.
Speaker 0 00:11:59 <laugh> literally. Sure. He has his mac and cheese. There's this straight guy that I work with, this younger generation, masculine guy from the Bronx and he's just casually gets a manicure every once in a while and has gay friends. I'm like, you're so cool. And you're not trying to be cool. You're just getting a manicure because you like getting a manicure. He's
Speaker 1 00:12:17 Just existing. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:12:19 And I love that.
Speaker 1 00:12:20 I wonder why men feel the need to be alpha dogs. Like, mm, I guess I get it. I feel bad too.
Speaker 0 00:12:26 I feel so bad for men. And this is what I always say, not to get into like the problems that come along with being a gay man. Most of them are just problems of being a man. I feel like controversial, but it's like I am judged because I talk a certain way, walk a certain way, act a certain way straight Men also fucking get called a faggot every five seconds. You know, if they act a certain way, talk a certain way, walk a certain way. Yeah. I'm sucking cock on the side, you know, but like straight men deal with it too. I feel like they're so mean to each other.
Speaker 1 00:12:56 Like I understand the pressure. However, I think that they would find if they were just like, um, whatever. Like if someone was like, fuck ha. Yeah. Like pointing to others and then he feels is like, okay, now what you got Miguel. Then like it would just end the conversation. It would get awkward and the guy would never do it again. I think I would, I believe. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:13:15 Like it feels like, hey guys, like you know, you don't have to do that. Gets as simple as that. It's
Speaker 1 00:13:20 So sad. It's so weird to be around. So the girls have the version of that. Yeah, it feels like the mean girl thing of trope. But but
Speaker 0 00:13:27 There's also like, I mean I feel like in general girls are much more loving I guess towards each other for the most part. Not, I don't know. I'm not a girl so who knows. Well you
Speaker 1 00:13:35 Know what I was thinking earlier today, there's the girls who are like, yeah, I'm friends with the guys. Oh,
Speaker 0 00:13:40 The ones that are like girls are drama and then wrap their pussy around their friend's boyfriend's dick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:13:47 I dunno what that is. The validation of having guys like you and maybe there is something validating about it cuz you feel like you are getting that feeling of the alpha dogs sort of, and you wanna be part of the Alpha Dogs team.
Speaker 0 00:14:00 Is that an alpha girl? Like, is that what an alpha woman looks like? Someone that's like, I'm not one of the girls.
Speaker 1 00:14:07 I don't know. Because if there is the girl who, which we know a few people. So this isn't just a myth of like, yeah, I'm one of the guys and then they go and they fuck those guys and then they also flirt with their friends boyfriends and such. Um, what was I gonna say? I
Speaker 0 00:14:23 Don't know, but Oh
Speaker 1 00:14:24 Yeah, yeah. They're, they're creating like the way that men create distance between each other. Those girls are creating distance between other women
Speaker 0 00:14:31 And that's so sad. Yeah. I'm a man who loves men and I still can't even imagine a world where like, I don't have women in my life. Women are the best. So like, I just can't imagine being a woman and not having girlfriends and just like being surrounded by straight men. That seems so lonely to me.
Speaker 1 00:14:48 Yeah. Being friends with women, you can be emotional. However, there is a sense to guys of like, let's go out and like play. Let's go skiing. Let's go play basketball. Or like, let's go play a sport. Like they are very active. So I do feel like I would like to have men in my life, but I feel like there's always a sense that if I have too many guy friends, I'll come off as a flirtatious girl to all of them. And then I was like, oh, I don't wanna be that girl <laugh>. I don't wanna be that girl.
Speaker 0 00:15:15 You just wanna go play. Yeah, you just wanna go play basketball, you wanna go shoot some hoops with the bros
Speaker 1 00:15:20 <laugh> Or like, there's guys who they're very into like self-promotion and like self-actualization. Like, I don't know, there's just is a thing to them. Like we need a balance of those balance people balance in our lives.
Speaker 0 00:15:38 There's a lot of,
Speaker 1 00:15:50 So we got a few responses.
Speaker 0 00:15:52 We wanted to know what perturbs you and a few of you guys let us know.
Speaker 1 00:15:55 Here we go.
Speaker 0 00:15:56 Talk to me Gordon. Hi Gordon. The
Speaker 1 00:15:59 Normalization of anger and hatred. Also Holly not being in the intro, where do we start? Which one? That's
Speaker 0 00:16:05 Funny. <laugh>. Okay, so
Speaker 1 00:16:07 The intro, I did it sort of spontaneously. It was for a project. It's still a work in progress. The idea was that we had videos that we had made as teenagers. Some of them we quote to this day. So I decided to use that, make something chaotic. And the thing is, I was not in any of those videos because I was taking the videos.
Speaker 0 00:16:30 Holly was very much the secret camera woman. I
Speaker 1 00:16:33 Was like, dance monkeys.
Speaker 0 00:16:34 But you know, the more content we make, the more quotes you'll have and then we'll put them in, um, in the new version.
Speaker 1 00:16:40 So that's why. But yeah, eventually we're gonna, it's gr it's a work in progress. The normalization of anger and hatred.
Speaker 0 00:16:56 I hate that it's normalized to hate. I
Speaker 1 00:17:00 Hate it. But also I participate.
Speaker 0 00:17:02 We always talk about the pendulum swing here in this apartment. And um, everyone hates each other. Well,
Speaker 1 00:17:07 Anger, I think anger is a natural human emotion. So I think rage is probably the an issue.
Speaker 0 00:17:15 Also. Fear. Fear
Speaker 1 00:17:16 And rage. But anger sometimes you just gotta let someone be angry. Walk
Speaker 0 00:17:21 Away. If their anger is like a huge display of the ego, ooh, throwing things, cursing, then it's a problem. But if someone, like for example, at work, if I'm pissed off, I'm having a horrible day at work and I'm just in a shitty mood, I'll be in a shitty mood, you know? So like anger is, um, a natural human emotion. Do people abuse it? Also, the thing about anger as and emotion is like when people feel angry, they feel the need to let the whole room know that they're angry and make it everyone else's problem. People don't do that with joy. Do
Speaker 1 00:17:48 They not do it with
Speaker 0 00:17:49 Joy? Maybe they do, but it's a little bit more noticeable when someone's like, <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:17:54 Slamming doors, stomping everywhere they go.
Speaker 0 00:17:57 I hate when people exclaim, like when people are like, fuck. Just like on the subway or something, you'll hear just shit. Shit fuck. I'm like relax, relax. Keep it to yourself. That's
Speaker 1 00:18:08 So funny. I might do that. <laugh>. I might be that person. Okay, so then hatred. It's not
Speaker 0 00:18:14 Good. It's no good. Especially in the news coming from people in power. It's no good
Speaker 1 00:18:19 Also on social media. All the hatred on social media. But you know what I was gonna say, I'm not really on social media that much these days, but I would imagine that kids who are on social media and are watching the hateful comments, it's probably bad for their minds in the future. Generations.
Speaker 0 00:18:36 Right? Here's one on hatred. Um, say you say a joke, just go hahaha ha haha, I hate you <laugh>. Like I hate you <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:18:46 Ugh,
Speaker 0 00:18:47 I hate you <laugh>. No, like really? I hate you. Like I hate you. You think I'm kidding? I hate you. You think I'm getting, I hate,
Speaker 1 00:18:57 I fucking hate you.
Speaker 0 00:18:58 Hate you.
Speaker 1 00:18:59 Oris Simone. 94. When someone sends you a text or a message saying, hey, call me, it's urgent. Or something along those lines and you call them right away but they don't answer. Oh,
Speaker 0 00:19:10 That's crazy.
Speaker 1 00:19:11 I feel like that's probably happened to me before or I've probably heard someone complain about that before. I feel that either someone's dead, you got a call you didn't answer. They moved on to another person. In which case not a big deal. Well, yes, a big deal. But um, otherwise, I don't know. Knowing me, myself and I, I might be like, oh great. Like they're, they didn't answer. I don't have to have this conversation.
Speaker 0 00:19:35 <laugh> knowing me, I would've seen call urgent. I would've texted them and said, what's up <laugh>? Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:19:40 You know what I wanna know. Give me an ex. I needed to know the example. What I wanna know actually is when you finally got in touch with this person, what was the urgency? I'm curious.
Speaker 0 00:19:49 It better not have been work related. Call me. It's urgent. Can you pick my Saturday shift up? I would've screamed. My
Speaker 1 00:19:54 Prediction is someone needed a ride
Speaker 0 00:19:57 <laugh> also. What time of the day was it? If someone's pulling that at one in the morning, it better be urgent.
Speaker 1 00:20:01 You better have a story. Don't give us, I don't know. But it's happened before.
Speaker 0 00:20:04 No. Give us some juice. Yeah. And if there's no juice, make some shit up. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:20:09 I do understand though, if someone did that to me, I might be like, what's going on? I need to know the dets now. It's a cliffhanger. It's a cliffhanger. It's a real life cliffhanger.
Speaker 0 00:20:17 You're not a bravo show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:20:19 <laugh> also just if you're gonna say it's urgent, just say what it is.
Speaker 0 00:20:22 Right. Or how about this? Call me. No, you call me. You know what I mean? Oh
Speaker 1 00:20:25 Yeah. Cuz they didn't even call first. Hey,
Speaker 0 00:20:27 Call me. Why don't you just call me? Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:20:29 No, just fucking
Speaker 0 00:20:30 Call. And if they don't answer, just text them and say Call me when you have a set, don't go. Ooh, ooh, ooh. You need should talk. Uh, no. Call me. You
Speaker 1 00:20:37 Know? And also perhaps if this has happened multiple times, we need to change the word urgent because now urgents diluted it needs to be something like it's serious
Speaker 0 00:20:46 Or, because if it was really serious you would text them and say, call me when you have a sec. That's how I would handle that.
Speaker 1 00:20:52 No, I feel like that's for a medium-sized urgency. Well,
Speaker 0 00:20:55 Because you don't wanna make it seem urgent. Freak a person out.
Speaker 1 00:20:58 Right. But if it's serious, if it's a death or something, then you could say,
Speaker 0 00:21:03 We need to chat.
Speaker 1 00:21:04 Not, you wouldn't say call me in a sec. I feel right. You'd probably say, Hey, it's serious. Well, because you don't call
Speaker 0 00:21:10 Me when you get the chance. Well cause you don't wanna Yeah. Call me when you get the chance because you don't want that person to be at work and they're not freaking out all day.
Speaker 1 00:21:15 Yeah. But if someone died and they're at work, they're probably gonna leave. Well, depending on who it is. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:21:19 Depending on who it is. Otherwise,
Speaker 1 00:21:21 I'm trying to think. That's why you gotta let me know. I wanna know an example of what urgent means.
Speaker 0 00:21:25 So let us know, DM us
Speaker 1 00:21:27 And if anyone else has any stories of that. And also if anyone thinks anything else of anger and hatred that we missed. Because I think deep in our souls, we have anger and hatred. <laugh>. Yeah. So Gordon, if you have a rebuttal
Speaker 0 00:21:38 To the rebuttal,
Speaker 1 00:21:38 Give us that rebuttal. Because
Speaker 0 00:21:40 Also I feel like we can go into the anger and hatred thing. And it could be its own podcast
Speaker 1 00:21:44 Is complaining a symptom of anger and hatred. Because that's basically our podcast as it's now.
Speaker 0 00:21:50 Okay.
Speaker 1 00:21:51 All right. Here we go. We're going to Instagram. I'm gonna go pull up Instagram because that's where our other thing was from. Aria.
Speaker 0 00:21:58 Aria Perez. Go ahead. Aria Perez would like to know our thoughts on pick me girls. Which actually is perfect timing because we briefly touched upon it earlier today. Um, any more thoughts? Our
Speaker 1 00:22:10 Pick me girls? Did we decide whether
Speaker 0 00:22:12 Pick me girls were alpha girls or beta girls?
Speaker 1 00:22:15 Well, you know, I guess ultimately we decided that alpha humans are actually guppies. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So yeah, I would say they're in the same category.
Speaker 0 00:22:23 Spam mail.
Speaker 1 00:22:24 Because I think what they end up doing, if they care more about men's validation than the company of the fellow woman, then they end up trying to take on characteristics that are just not true to them. And I feel like that's what makes a pick me girl. Right. <laugh>. But you know what? They did do something good for a community. They made dorks hot. Yeah. <laugh> ever since they um,
Speaker 0 00:22:49 I mean dorks have been hot,
Speaker 1 00:22:50 But there was a shift, I think a turning point in our culture. Where is that noise coming from again? Oh, um, I feel like there was a shift in the culture when anime became an aesthetic pick me girl. Okay. What are characteristics they like?
Speaker 0 00:23:03 Well they could like whatever they love. Like some of them don't like anime, but they're the ones that go, oh my God, your hands are so big. Like look like put it up to my hands. They're the ones that go. Girls are drama mom, girls are drama mom <laugh>. Like I just can't cuz like other girls are drama girls are the Dalai Lama <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:23:20 Yeah. Well I'm saying two things right now. Girls who are like, yeah I can hang out with the guys
Speaker 0 00:23:25 And then also girls with like pigtails and braces on TikTok that are like
Speaker 1 00:23:29 Is that the case? No. Cuz you said the hand thing. Your hands are so big. The
Speaker 0 00:23:33 Ones that are like, I'm just a willow gooby.
Speaker 1 00:23:36 Oh yeah. You know what it is. Pick me girls. I feel like they're either think they're one of the bros or they're little babies in diapers. Right.
Speaker 0 00:23:43 <laugh> little cocky diaper. But it all goes back to the same thing because the reason that they're like, I'm one of the bros. Is that so they could be the teeniest little one on the basketball court.
Speaker 1 00:23:53 Oh yeah. They want all the guys to pick them up, throw them around. He, he like, I'm the friends with all the boys.
Speaker 0 00:24:00 Did you see that video of that girl? I forgot her name, but she was like, there's just something in my feminine little voice that exudes something that men want. They wanna be around me in my delicate little frame and my fertile little body.
Speaker 1 00:24:13 No, but that's so eerie and accurate.
Speaker 0 00:24:16 Yeah. <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:24:17 Can we post that if someone else, if those are someone else's words?
Speaker 0 00:24:21 Well, it's like a viral video. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:24:23 Do we like pick me girls?
Speaker 0 00:24:24 You know what I've learned via this podcast, through this podcast, what this podcast has done for me and I've brushed on it before. The things that used to piss me off and annoy me, excite me now because I'm like, yay. Content. So like when I, when I meet someone I like don't love, you know, we're not gonna say hate cuz we're not gonna normalize hate. Hi Gordon. Hashtag free Gordon <laugh>. I love it now when someone's talking to me and my mouth hits the floor, my jaw drops because of what they're saying is outlandish. I love it. I'm like, go on.
Speaker 1 00:24:49 I'm not a fan. Totally. You know, I feel, I do think there's probably something psychologically to it. I feel like you euphoria highlighted that where girls maybe have think that their only value is somehow
Speaker 0 00:25:03 The way they're viewed through the male gaze.
Speaker 1 00:25:04 Yeah. They didn't choose to see the world like that, but it just somehow happened through, I don't know, trauma or something. The
Speaker 0 00:25:11 Only male gaze that matters are the ones in, you know, fire island. Okay. Those are the only type of male gaze I care about. Okay. No cuz like male gaze.
Speaker 1 00:25:21 Oh wow. You got it. Yeah, I do. Okay. It took a minute. Yeah, we got there. What was I gonna say? Yeah, choosing men over women.
Speaker 0 00:25:29 Euphoria. Something psychological about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:25:31 Yeah, yeah. You gotta have other women's back, you know? I think that's why everyone's kind of troubled by them. Yeah, right. I don't wanna be hateful, but I think we don't really need to be hateful because I think in the end, if you are an unloyal friend, cuz also my sister talks about this and I hear this from other girls. There's specific girls who always are trying to fuck your guy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, any boyfriend of a friend, they'll get up close and personal and be like, but we're just friends. We're just playing.
Speaker 0 00:26:00 It's the ones that are like, I know you better. You're not like this. Look at me, look at me, look at me like it's me. Like I'm one of the guys. Like, look at me like you are not like this <laugh>. Like, I know that your girlfriend thinks she knows you, but like I know you so well.
Speaker 1 00:26:13 Touches on the shoulder, touches on the knees,
Speaker 0 00:26:16 These open palm on their chest. Like I know you, this isn't you.
Speaker 1 00:26:20 Nicknames that actually happens according to my sister.
Speaker 0 00:26:23 They want the challenge. They want something they can't have. If there was like a single perfect suitor standing right here, interested, flirting, and then the next guy over here is in a relationship with your best friend. They want that one. I'm
Speaker 1 00:26:35 Curious about what's going on in their mind. Do they even care about their best friends? No. Yeah. What's that about? Wonder
Speaker 0 00:26:40 What it is. We're just not in that world. Because I feel like it's also, I hate to say this breeding culture, it's people, people who shit <laugh>, people who prioritize men over their friends are people who want families at a young age. Oh.
Speaker 1 00:26:54 They want the tribe leader.
Speaker 0 00:26:55 They want the tribe leader. And they also want, um, children growing inside of them and to raise them. So like, they're not worried about girlfriends, they're worried about finding their husband. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:27:03 But then if they have a guy who likes them, why do they choose the guy that's taken?
Speaker 0 00:27:07 I don't know. I mean, I'm not a doctor or anything, but maybe they didn't, you know, have love coming in from the one person that they wanted it from. Maybe it's a father, maybe it's a mother, maybe it's a grandfather. Maybe it's an a brother, an uncle, a sister. So they search for love in places that it's unattainable. Wow. Maybe
Speaker 1 00:27:26 That was very analytical.
Speaker 0 00:27:27 If you're a doctor, you know, let us know if we're on the right track here. If
Speaker 1 00:27:31 You were once a pick me girl, let us know. Maybe we'll give you a call. We'll have a conversation. You can tell us what you felt like psychologically while you were there, if you've changed,
Speaker 0 00:27:39 Even if you haven't changed. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> we're, um, sending a flyer out for Pick Me girls.
Speaker 1 00:27:43 And also if you feel like that was the correct assumptions about the term. Pick me girl. What it means to people when they hear it. Or maybe it's not feminist to use the word pick me, girl. Oh,
Speaker 0 00:27:54 It's not. We're being hateful, but it's, um, but you
Speaker 1 00:27:56 Need a language though. Sometimes. I don't know. Is it derogatory? Probably.
Speaker 0 00:28:00 What, what isn't derogatory? However,
Speaker 1 00:28:01 People have the rights. If they feel like their friend is flirting with their boyfriends and they feel like they can't have their closest girlfriend around someone that they may be planning their life with. That sucks. That girl should be allowed to be like, my best friend's a fucking pick me girl.
Speaker 0 00:28:15 That shouldn't be your best friend. It shouldn't, because like I said, those girls are not concerned about friendships.
Speaker 1 00:28:20 It shouldn't, it seems to me that pick me girls end up not having close friends.
Speaker 0 00:28:24 They're the ones that say like, oh, like in my experience, my personal experience, the ones that are like every friend group I have just like doesn't work out. Like I just like can never, like girlfriends always just don't work out. That's why I'm friends with guys. No, the reason your girlfriends don't work out is because you don't treat them right. Because
Speaker 1 00:28:41 Also are they pretty usually because I was gonna say that. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:28:44 I feel like they're usually pretty. The
Speaker 1 00:28:45 Thing is, everybody feels insecure. It's our job to make each other feel less insecure. And if you are best friends is feeling insecure because of you, you're doing something unethical and you know you can because you know you're pretty and you know that you have power. You know you have the ability to harvest that power.
Speaker 0 00:29:04 Ooh. They're like the windmills of <laugh>, of the human swes. They're the solar panels because they're absorbing power.
Speaker 1 00:29:13 No, they're born with the power. That's why they're corrupt. No, I'm just kidding. They probably have daddy issues. Right? Are we getting canceled after this episode?
Speaker 0 00:29:20 If you stay canceled, you don't gotta get canceled.
Speaker 1 00:29:24 Mama,
Speaker 0 00:29:26 Mama, mama. Pick me. Girls empaths. Um, alpha men. Who else hates us? <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:29:33 We're creating enemies left and right. Anyways, aria, let us know if we got that, if we are on point there. And if not, you can. Um, how should we do this? If someone wants to reply to something that we commented, because we'll keep the conversation going.
Speaker 0 00:29:47 Okay. Send us a little dm.
Speaker 1 00:29:48 Yeah, let's do that. The rebuttals from the rebuttals through DM or perhaps Twitter. Make it public or not because we want people to listen to it through here. Ooh,
Speaker 0 00:29:57 We should get on threads. There's a new social media. Is it popular? It's getting popular. It's being popularized. Oh, and it's like Twitter, but it's through Instagram. So we could just open up an apartment. One R Threads and it's like Twitter. Oh
Speaker 1 00:30:09 My God. I heard about that on NPR News.
Speaker 0 00:30:11 Hey, look at us being current. Grandma and grandpa still got it. We still got it. Love
Speaker 1 00:30:15 That idea. We gotta get a kicking with the, uh, Twitter thing.
Speaker 0 00:30:18 Well, who needs it if threads takes off?
Speaker 1 00:30:20 That's true. Do you think Twitter's gonna go
Speaker 0 00:30:21 Down? I mean, didn't Elon Musk buy it,
Speaker 1 00:30:23 Right? Was that the beginning of the end? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 0 00:30:25 <affirmative>. I feel like Elon Musk is a pic me girl. Change my mind. No, he's like, I'm quirky. I go to Mars. Ooh. I'm like, Ooh, I got like Twitter. If you are listening on your commute to work, go fuck yourself. Just kidding. Or
Speaker 1 00:30:39 Do it when you park. Pull
Speaker 0 00:30:41 Over and jerk off. <laugh>. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:30:43 Remember this question and think about it. Let it marinate in your brain. What perturbs you?
Speaker 0 00:30:48 What pisses you off? What makes you look at someone and think, are you choking? Let us know down in the comments below
Speaker 1 00:30:55 Or on Twitter or anywhere else. Hashtag
Speaker 0 00:30:58 Are you joking? One R
Speaker 1 00:30:59 Hashtag Are you joking? One R Because get it out there. Let it just, let's talk about it and laugh about it. Right? I feel like yes, we're complaining and they say that that's not good for the psyche,
Speaker 0 00:31:09 But are psyches already scrambled eggs? Mom, you know what? When I ask someone how are they? They go, oh, I can't complain. I go, I can, you know,
Speaker 1 00:31:15 I feel like it's better to talk about it and laugh about it than to let it sit in the minds.
Speaker 0 00:31:20 We're not gonna let things simmer. We're taking the lid off. We're letting that hot, greasy oil splash onto the cabinet. When
Speaker 1 00:31:26 It comes to you. When it comes to you, then just write it down. Hashtag hashtag
Speaker 0 00:31:29 Next time time, next time you're in the world navigating the world. And you think to someone argue, joking. Instead of letting that anger marinate, boil, simmer, throw it down in the comment section on Apartment one r Instagram and you can hear your opinions on the pod. It's like winning the lottery for the mentally ill.
Speaker 1 00:31:46 So have a good week. Ah, this part is always
Speaker 0 00:31:49 Awkward. It's always awkward. Wonder why it's awkward. Cuz we miss you guys. We miss you. We miss you. Love you.
Speaker 1 00:31:55 Bye-bye.
Speaker 0 00:31:57 Bye Nora. Take care of yourself. You got a good head on your shoulders. Do
Speaker 1 00:32:07 What you need to do. Don't waste any time.
Speaker 0 00:32:10 It's a dog eat dog world. And I'm starving.
Speaker 1 00:32:13 Let's go out and get something. Eat, shall we?
Speaker 0 00:32:15 Let's get a little thing of fries. Let's go out for a soda. Love that. Let's normalize going out for a soda. Let's
Speaker 1 00:32:21 Crack a fresh Coca-Cola.
Speaker 0 00:32:22 Yeah. Get a soda pops. Go out and get yourself a root beer or a cream soda. Ew. No. Well, okay, let us know down in the comments if you are hashtag team root beer or if you are hashtag holding yourself back from the pleasures of life.
Speaker 1 00:32:36 No, the real pleasure is in Sprite, period. Ginger
Speaker 0 00:32:39 L mm
Speaker 1 00:32:40 Half. It does, it's it's, it's just not the same.
Speaker 0 00:32:44 If there was a can of Sprite and a can of ginger ale. I'm reaching for the ginger ale.
Speaker 1 00:32:47 I think you're missing out on the joys of life.
Speaker 0 00:32:49 Wow. Interesting. Mm, interesting. Mm.
Speaker 1 00:32:52 I guess we know where we stand now.
Speaker 0 00:32:53 There's a line in the sand. If you are listening on your commute to work, pull over. Get yourself a cream soda. Pull over. Get yourself a ginger roll. How do you feel about orange soda? Love it. Me too. Okay, we agree there. Great. We agree there. Eh? I could do it without grape. Fuck you. Okay, I will <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:33:08 Okay.
Speaker 0 00:33:09 All right. Bye. Get out. Bye. Get outta my house. Get out of my house.
Speaker 1 00:33:14 Like we've been trying to ask for the past hour. It's, and you just can't take a
Speaker 0 00:33:17 Hint. I know. It's like there's a time and a place. The door is right there. It's
Speaker 1 00:33:21 3:00 AM Everybody's tired.
Speaker 0 00:33:22 It's like, take a hint.
Speaker 1 00:33:25 We haven't pulled out the couch for you to sleep here, so that means you gotta go. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 0 00:33:29 <affirmative> hate to see you Go but love to see you. Walk away. Okay. Bye. Done. We're done.
